siphon use without sucking gas

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, James Cook wrote:

> > If anyone is interested in viewing a variety of small, portable

siphons

> for gas, > many are at this URL, which is a search result list on Google's

Froogle

> service. > > http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=siphon+gas&hl=en&btnG=Search > > James >

James, Excellent post, full of useful information. It fills in the blanks of what I have been thinking about in dual-sporting with my 10yo son with an XR100R and running him out of gas. revmaaatin.

[Greg Schmidt]

I've carried the shaker type since the "everything will cease to function" days of Y2K. Works great and no gas spitting. -less filling, tastes great! -Camo

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, James Cook wrote: > > > > If anyone is interested in viewing a variety of small, portable > siphons > > for gas, > > many are at this URL, which is a search result list on Google's > Froogle > > service. > > > > http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=siphon+gas&hl=en&btnG=Search > > > > James > > > James, > Excellent post, full of useful information. It fills in the blanks of > what I have been thinking about in dual-sporting with my 10yo son with > an XR100R and running him out of gas. > revmaaatin. >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

Maximum Snipage

> > And for those who have never siphoned fuel, you might want to > > practice it in the 'sanity' of your own garage and see how well it > > does/does not work. Milk of Magnesia if you swallow some

fuel...911

> > if you swallow a lot of fuel. > > > > revmaaatin. who does not like the taste of gasoline in the morning

or evening JUDS astute REPLY

> The rule I like to follow is: the guy who is out of gas sucks the

hose. JUD, Only thing wrong with that idea, I didn't think of it first. Q. Does 'that guy' like to follow Jud's 'rule' of "he has no fuel, gets hosed?" revmaaatin. who is master of the obvious; for the not-so-obvious, I ask the list.

[James Cook]

Since I'm not familiar with the term "self priming" siphon, I did a Google search and found several, including this one: http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com/supersiphon/ Something I notice about this siphon vs. what I used earlier, and described here, is that on a source end of tubing it has a brass fitting. That alone would probably make the end fall to the bottom of the gas in a tank, and not curl back up in a way difficult to see in the tank. It was difficult for us to use a light to shine in our tank at the same time as we stuffed the siphon into the tank and tried to maneuver its ends around into the residual gas at bottom of the tank. That's why we though an led lamp on the tip of a "guide stick" might illuminate and weight down the end of the tube in the tank. James revmaaatin wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "John Biccum" > wrote: > >> Use a self priming siphon hose: >> http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/573777/7/21792112 >> >> I use the same hose to fill the stove fuel bottle for my MSR >> > Dragonfly > >> stove. >> >> > Now John, play nice and 'share' all the details. Please explain what > a 'self priming siphon hose', where you got or how you made it and how > much it cost. > > Nice pictures of Moab. > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

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[James Cook]

RE: SIPHON USE I would like to clarify what my personal experience with a particular siphon has been, in contrast to the post discussing a need to suck gas, etc. I had to experience with siphoning before purchasing a portable, small siphon shown at this URLs for $5.00: http://www.shop.com/op/~CUSTOM_ACCESSORIES_36668_6'_Tube_Siphon_Pump- prod-20376811-27887703?sourceid=298 http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/ (vqavqz55ap5dg35525yqlx55)/ProductDetails.aspx? SKU=8135238&Source=froogle A "squeeze bulb" sits inline between a long and a short length of clear tubing. One places the long end in the gas source, and the short tube into the destination. I usually initiated gas movement by placing my index finger over the short tube at the "destination" end of the siphon tube after first squeezing all air out of the squeeze bulb. Once the air is out of the bulb, I placed the end into the source of gas, and removed my index finger from the tube at the destination. 8 times out of 10, the gas would begin flowing from source to destination pretty steadily. The gas would continue running without "flaking out" until the source tube was no longer submerged in gas. Due to the shape of the tank, and poor visibility, it takes patience and repeated efforts to "place" strategically the tube into the tank if removing gas from the KLR. We felt that to do that expeditiously, one would need to affix the siphon tube to some kind of a "stick" device that doesn't bend much and one could "point" the siphon tube accurately into the bowels of the KLR tank. I suppose it would be ideal if such a pointer stick guide had a little led light on the end so that you can see in there under all lighting conditions. A problem with this siphon was the tube tends to easily curl around unexpectedly so that it is actually curled out of the gas source. If affixed to a "guide stick" one would over come that curling effect. That was a frustrating part of aiming it. We did not feel that the siphon was highly sensitive to height differences between a source tank and the destination tank. We were pleasantly surprised with its willingness to work. At different times, we source gas from the KLR tank into a portable gas can on the ground, from a portable gas tank raised a foot or two above the KLR tank...and into the KLR tank. Not once did we need to suck gas or place lips on a tube to get gas to move out of some eight or ten siphoning episodes on a weekend. It takes a little patience to wait for the gas to move because that tube is narrow. While we didn't time it, I would guess that moving two gallons of gas may have taken not more than about ten or twenty minutes. We were busy discussing other things and didn't pay special attention to time. It seemed to me that having a portable siphon like that could be quite valuable in emergencies and I felt that if people didn't buy it because they thought they'd have to suck gas, that would be unfortunate. I think that is about my whole spiel. James/California

[John Biccum]

I bought the hose at my local Kawi dealer for less than $10. It is sometimes refered to as a jiggle siphon. Wrap your hand around the hose then begin the jiggling motion to start the siphon. In addition to inducing the fuel to flow this motion also tends to induce a giggling motion in teenaged boys and dual sport riders who tend to think that the priming motion suggests...something else indeed Here is an online link: http://www.powrachutesuperstore.com/CDA5240F87574D8387EBDE8FEC733210/store/s tore.asp?nProductID=14083 The copper portion of the siphon traps a marble-like ball, which acts as a check valve. Just put the copper portion into the tank then jiggle it up and down for a few seconds and the siphon starts flowing. My only complaint is that once started it flows too fast, a smaller diameter hose would be better for motorcycle to motorcycle work. When working from a KLR this hose moves fuel almost as fast as a service station pump, way too fast for filling stove bottles. But I can tank up my DR350 from the KLR in about a minute! BTW a stove that burns regular unleaded is the way to go for self-supported motorcycle trips. No more hunting for white gas for the stove, eventually finding a gallon for $8 and then having to give most of it away since there is no room to carry the gallon can on the bike. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of revmaaatin Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:29 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: gettign fuel out of a KLR650 in an emergency --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "John Biccum" wrote:

> > Use a self priming siphon hose: > http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/573777/7/21792112 > > I use the same hose to fill the stove fuel bottle for my MSR

Dragonfly

> stove. >

Now John, play nice and 'share' all the details. Please explain what a 'self priming siphon hose', where you got or how you made it and how much it cost. Nice pictures of Moab. Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links