handlebar mounted gps versus pda with gps

[J Fortner]

No toil definitely catches the dirt and cleans up/oils quickly. Very satisfied with the ~$20 purchase 2 years ago. Still plenty of no-toil product left. Purchased from Cycle Gear I believe. Jim

On 1/28/06, hijklr wrote: > > > I use No-Toil ("not oil") Biodegradable filter oil and cleaner. So easy > to clean and re-oil filter in my kitchen sink. The filter easily comes > totally clean (unlike oil-based products I've tried). Never seen > evidence of dirt making it to the inside of filter or filter oil > migrating to carb. I have noticed the No-toil dries out after a while > (months) so I don't oil my spare until just before a trip. I see that > Honda now sells the No-toil products with the Pro Honda name on them. > Kevin > A17 > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Doug Pippin]

Chuck You can read reports to the contrary also. I use a K&N and 90% of my riding is off road. The K&N works as well as any filter out there. I've used K&N in sport bikes, and also in enduro bikes that are really abused and they always performed well. However if you want to believe the reports that you've been reading just use a good foam filter. Doug in NC At 04:08 PM 1/28/2006, you wrote:

> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:22:42 -0000 > From: "Charles Marsh" >Subject: K&N air filter > >I just read a disturbing report on air filters and the K&N was rated >worse for letting dirt thru. >What does everyone use? >TIA >Chuck

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[Andrew Tuning]

OK. Someone explain to me. I understand that the K & N filter works on the principal that the dirtier it gets, the better it filters. If this is true, then the dirtier it gets, the more it restricts the air flow to the carb and will make it run richer and the engine perform poorer. Because of my thinking on this is why I have not put one on my bike. Can someone clarify this for me? -Andy andyt59@... http://myweb.cableone.net/tbernard -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Saline Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:41 PM To: txbiker@... Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] K&N air filter Chuck, That doesn't surprise me at all. I like the NoToil brand of filter and maintenance items. They are environmentally friendly and easy to use. My recent oil analysis suggests the filter is working well. Once I have a trend established I'll know more. But for the last 12,000 miles in some pretty dusty conditions it seems to work. They breath well and don't pass dirt that I can see as I inspect the carb side of the filter opening each time I service the filter. The filter maintenance products are available under the NoToil, Honda or Kawasaki labels. Same products, just different labels on the bottles and tubes. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:22:42 -0000 "Charles Marsh" writes:

> I just read a disturbing report on air filters and the K&N was rated > > worse for letting dirt thru. > What does everyone use? > TIA > Chuck > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

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[Dan Paulsen]

Ha ha ha,,,, Just think of that line of reasoning... bullshit if I can be so blunt. My opinion based on experience using both. Most all the offroaders who race and most if not all the OEM dirt bikes I am aware of use foam filters. Yes, you may have to clean the the foam filters more often in extremely dusty environments. Can use a filter sock over the foam also for extended riding in dusty environs to extend cleaning cycle. Dan P, Thumpin' in Tallahassee --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Tuning" wrote:

> > OK. Someone explain to me. I understand that the K & N filter works

on the

> principal that the dirtier it gets, the better it filters. If this

is true,

> then the dirtier it gets, the more it restricts the air flow to the

carb and

> will make it run richer and the engine perform poorer. Because of my > thinking on this is why I have not put one on my bike. Can someone

clarify

> this for me? > > -Andy > andyt59@c... > http://myweb.cableone.net/tbernard > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Jeff Saline > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:41 PM > To: txbiker@c... > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] K&N air filter > > Chuck, > > That doesn't surprise me at all. I like the NoToil brand of filter

and

> maintenance items. They are environmentally friendly and easy to

use.

> My recent oil analysis suggests the filter is working well. Once I

have

> a trend established I'll know more. But for the last 12,000 miles

in

> some pretty dusty conditions it seems to work. They breath well and > don't pass dirt that I can see as I inspect the carb side of the

filter

> opening each time I service the filter. The filter maintenance

products

> are available under the NoToil, Honda or Kawasaki labels. Same

products,

> just different labels on the bottles and tubes. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:22:42 -0000 "Charles Marsh" > writes: > > I just read a disturbing report on air filters and the K&N was

rated

> > > > worse for letting dirt thru. > > What does everyone use? > > TIA > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links >

[Alan L Henderson]

Andrew Tuning wrote:

> OK. Someone explain to me. I understand that the K & N filter works on the > principal that the dirtier it gets, the better it filters. If this is true, > then the dirtier it gets, the more it restricts the air flow to the carb and > will make it run richer and the engine perform poorer. Because of my > thinking on this is why I have not put one on my bike. Can someone clarify > this for me?

Without weighing in on whether the K&N passes more dust, I will point out that any filter that is currently used on motorcycles restricts the air flow the dirtier it gets. Goes for oil filters also, that is one of the reasons there is a pressure bypass on oil filters. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

[Blake Sobiloff]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Tuning"

> wrote: > OK. Someone explain to me. I understand that the K & N filter works > on the principal that the dirtier it gets, the better it filters.

ANY filter works this way. The more plugged up it gets with debris, the less air (and dirt) will pass through it.

> If this is true, > then the dirtier it gets, the more it restricts the air flow to the > carb and will make it run richer and the engine perform poorer.

Eventually, but not in many years if you stick to the street. Riding off-road, however, is another story. Note that this effect isn't limited to K&N filters, either. The main difference between K&N and other filter types is that, when new, the K&N filter allows more airflow by not filtering the air as efficiently. -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> San Jose, CA (USA)

[scott quillen]

Ha ha ha...I'm guessin' the 10's of 1000's of folks using K&N's are just kiddin' themselves....huh ;^) Personally, I've never had problems with them. My UNSCIENTIFIC results - removing the FILTHY K&N elements from my vehicles (mostly on-road), I use them in and not seeing dust on the inboard side or any other residue that would lead me to believe they're letting anything harmful through, and the DEFINITE boost in performance...I guess I'm just kiddin' myself like the rest of 'em... I guess I better stop using them immediately, huh! I think I'll just keep usin' em...like they say..."ignorance is bliss" ;^) Scott Dan Paulsen wrote: Ha ha ha,,,, Just think of that line of reasoning... bullshit if I can be so blunt. My opinion based on experience using both. Most all the offroaders who race and most if not all the OEM dirt bikes I am aware of use foam filters. Yes, you may have to clean the the foam filters more often in extremely dusty environments. Can use a filter sock over the foam also for extended riding in dusty environs to extend cleaning cycle. Dan P, Thumpin' in Tallahassee --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Tuning" wrote:

> > OK. Someone explain to me. I understand that the K & N filter works

on the

> principal that the dirtier it gets, the better it filters. If this

is true,

> then the dirtier it gets, the more it restricts the air flow to the

carb and

> will make it run richer and the engine perform poorer. Because of my > thinking on this is why I have not put one on my bike. Can someone

clarify

> this for me? > > -Andy > andyt59@c... > http://myweb.cableone.net/tbernard > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Jeff Saline > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:41 PM > To: txbiker@c... > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] K&N air filter > > Chuck, > > That doesn't surprise me at all. I like the NoToil brand of filter

and

> maintenance items. They are environmentally friendly and easy to

use.

> My recent oil analysis suggests the filter is working well. Once I

have

> a trend established I'll know more. But for the last 12,000 miles

in

> some pretty dusty conditions it seems to work. They breath well and > don't pass dirt that I can see as I inspect the carb side of the

filter

> opening each time I service the filter. The filter maintenance

products

> are available under the NoToil, Honda or Kawasaki labels. Same

products,

> just different labels on the bottles and tubes. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:22:42 -0000 "Charles Marsh" > writes: > > I just read a disturbing report on air filters and the K&N was

rated

> > > > worse for letting dirt thru. > > What does everyone use? > > TIA > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links >

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[Bogdan Swider]

> > The main difference between K&N and other filter types is that, when > new, the K&N filter allows more airflow by not filtering the air as > efficiently. > -- > Blake Sobiloff

You can control airflow by spraying more or less oil on your K&N after cleaning. The PO installed the K&N on my ride - something I would not have done but I left it in. ( He also wasted money on a Supercrap/Suppertripe which I did get rid of - of course he did nothing to the carb and yes the bike did run lean ) Anyway I try to make sure I spray enough oil on the filter. Bogdan, who long ago smoked filtered and unfiltered

[mbarney]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, David Critchley wrote:

> > I mounted a Magellan 315 on a RAM mount on my bars. 12 hrs of pavement > only later, it was toast. It's replacement lasted for about 400 km,

then

> I had enough toast for a sandwich. > I then started carrying the thing in the bar-mounted map case from > "Cyclo-mate", or some similar name, no further problems. > DC >

Some of this may be GPS-dependent more than mounting-dependent. In my situation, I have a Garmin Gpsmap 60CS on a RAM mount, and have gone 3-4000 miles with no problems riding everything but singletrack. My older Garmin probably wouldn't have stood for it, but this one does. I have hardwired the GPS, as running on batteries can cause intermittent operation. CycoActive has a lot of experience with GPS on bikes, and they've got a lot of info on their website: http://www.cycoactive.com> Good luck. -Matt in Boise, ID