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[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

After promising myself I would not bite..... Want to blame someone for something? Blame CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX, CBN, The 700 club, APR, NPR, Time, Newsweek, and every other newspaper published here and abroad. They did a great job of only showing the worst, and only publishing the worst. How many people developed an opinion based on the biased coverage we all saw? As far as the Government goes, what I recall is all the people being told two days prior to the storm to leave. Then I recall watching the storm, and it did not look all that bad, then I recall headlines "New Orleans Spared". Were I a federal official, I would have been going "Phew, man that was a close one". The next thing I know "No one is helping us" as every agency known to mankind was being flown, bussed and trucked into the area. Blame the sufferable media that thinks they can take any angle they want and at least sell more feminine hygene products. As far as looters go, I blame anyone who "loots". I dont care what color they are. Me, personally, I am not rich, far from it. But, I have about 200 pounds of rice, canned goods, my own spring, and weapons. I can say for certain that I could hold out for months before I had to result to looting (that includes caring for my entire family). If and when I did result to looting to stay alive, I would expect to at very least be arrested for my trouble if caught, and would not at all be surprised to take a bullet for my trouble. But I would certainly expect to be held accountable when I got caught. As for the cops strolling through walmart taking baskets full of stuff (non food), and the bastards who looted TV's and jewelry stores, well, they need to be held accountable too. Some have said "well they had nothing", I think most of them had nothing before the storm rolled in, and I don't think the storm is justification for finally having something. I know for a fact all that I have I earned, and I dont possess anything I did not earn. FYI I have donated cash, and am still trying to talk the wife into donating more, at least till it hurts. I believe that only the media, and biggoted red neck scum, (white and black) have made this about race. BTW, doing a 500 miler tommorow. according to the weather forcast here in WA, this may be the last real nice day this year, so ride I shall! God Bless, and please help those less fortunate than yourself! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 4:39 PM -0700 9/7/05, wrote:

>.... I have about 200 pounds of >rice, canned goods, my own spring, and weapons. I can >say for certain that I could hold out for months

Y2K leftovers? LOL I'm well-stocked too and could last at least 5 weeks before I had to get creative with the food prep and waste disposal. Add another 3 weeks to that before I had to break out the guns and/or go mobile. Fortunately, I live in a neighborhood that is virtually immune from natural disasters and urban unrest is unlikely in my small town. What amazes me is when we get a weather forecast for a nasty snow storm here in PA. As if a nuclear attack was imminent , the idiots flock to the grocery store like a plague of locusts to prepare for the 2-3 days of slow going on the roads. Hey folks, if you don't have 3 days worth of toilet paper, bread and Milk in your house, sumpin's wrong wit ya! Mark

[Eric L. Green]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Jim wrote:

> I can't seem to get this historic tragedy out of my mind and I have > been thinking all kinds of thoughts about it lately. One thing I have > trouble understanding is why was there not more cooperation between > the folks trapped in that situation?

Excuse me? Have you talked to people who were there? I have. They did the best they could, with the resources they had. And they did cooperate with each other. They did have their own night watchmen and security detail. They did take out the thugs. You know some of those bodies that the National Guardsmen later claimed were beaten to death by thugs? Those *WERE* the thugs. They took care of them. When the National Guard arrived, did they find savages? No. They found people in orderly lines, women and children first, waiting for the buses, and a swept courtyard. They found a field hospital of sorts, where a nurse and aides with medicines looted from the local pharmacies were doing their best for the poeple who needed medical assistance. They found an elderly white woman in a wheelchair being cared for by a black nurses's aide who had never seen the white woman before in her life, their picture was in the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Are you getting your information from the freakin' KKK? Yeah, the good things don't make the news, because they're not as exciting as the notion of buck savage niggras lootin' and rapin' each other in the Convention Center. Folks (including so-called "journalists") would rather trade ignorant rumors spread by cracker National Guardsmen who wouldn't have the foggiest notion what was happening inside the Convention Center because they were on the outside with their M-16's pointing in. (Note that I say Convention Center because I don't know anybody who was at the Superdome). It's 1955 all over again. I'm just plain disgusted. Just disgusted. It's bad enough that people I know are now homeless, but now they're considered to be nothing better than animals by the rest of their nation, based on nothing more than ignorant rumors? I don't know what to say. I don't. -E

[Eric L. Green]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 matteeanne@... wrote:

> After promising myself I would not bite..... > Want to blame someone for something? > Blame CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX, CBN, The 700 club, APR, NPR, > Time, Newsweek, and every other newspaper published > here and abroad.

Oh I do, believe me.

> not rich, far from it. But, I have about 200 pounds of > rice, canned goods, my own spring, and weapons. I can

Which would do you a lot of good if it were all underneath 20 feet of water because of a massive flood. As for the evacuation plan, Katrina did not become a Category 4 hurricane (i.e., mandatory evacuation) until 3am on Sunday, August 30. The mandatory evacuation order was issued at 7:30am that morning. There are physical constraints on evacuating New Orleans -- there are three (3) highways out of New Orleans to the west (towards high ground). Those highways were clogged with private automobiles fleeing the hurricane until shortly before the hurricane hit. There were not enough buses in New Orleans to evacuate the whole population, and no way to get more buses into the city (due to the clogged highways), so instead they set up a plan where there was 14 collection centers and the buses were instead used to evacuate people from those collection centers to the Superdome and, when the Superdome filled, to the convention center, where they'd at least be on high ground. It worked. They saved those people's lives. Too bad some of those died afterwards because help didn't arrive for FOUR DAYS. New Orleans simply ran out of time. Hurricanes don't care about the plans of mice or men, they hit when they hit. While it was always a nice idea to think that New Orleans could be completely evacuated when a Category 4 or Category 5 hurricane came roaring down upon it, it was never particularly realistic given the limited highway access, and the people actually on the ground did what they could to save people with the resources they had, and for the most part did a good job of it, CNN and right-wing talking points nonwithstanding. As for the fiasco that happened afterwards, where people were trapped under horrific conditions while bureaucrats and government officials at both the state and federal levels allowed stupid PAPERWORK to get in the way of saving lives (I don't WANT to hear again all that STUPID talk about how aid X couldn't be dispatched because paperwork Y wasn't properly filled out), I don't want to talk about it anymore. I don't. Because I will just get too upset again. _E

[Conall]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen wrote:

> Here's an interesting take on the Katrina aftermath... > > http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026 > > Regards, > Scott

I wasn't going to respond to this but....having seen the results of the Nimitz freeway pancake in East Oakland, CA during Loma Prieta ' *9, I know how the hardest of the hardened criminals will join together to SAVE peoples lifes, not destroy them. I was not in New Orleans to see the violence and do not believe it . Psyops people, people were jamming communications, FEMA were splitting up families locking people down in the superdome, not letting people leave, not allowing rations of water in or medicine etc. It was suggested to me by someone that it seems like the lack of assistance in New Orleans was meant to provoke people to extreme violence and chaos. It certainly looks that way to me... but what if new orleans is being used as a test case to see, in a real world setting, how easily a motivated, angry populace (and the military personnel forced to do the dirty work) could be subdued and controlled to create a working model of how to impose endless Martial Law throughout the country while keeping those who might resist under the lid... and those in the armed forces in line. It's a thought... because I find it absolutely incredible how inept the response has been... to the point of criminality on the part of the federal government. This interpertation seemed to be validated by the following news... " US troops with shoot-to-kill orders have been deployed in New Orleans to restore law and order after days of chaos and looting in the hurricane-devastated city. Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco says the 300 troopers from the Arkansas National Guard has been authorised to open fire on "hoodlums" who have been terrorising the flooded city in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Their deployment came amid intense criticism of the government for a tardy response to the disaster, which is feared to have killed thousands of people and left hundreds of thousands more stranded and homeless. "These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well trained, experienced, battle tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets," the governor said. "They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded. "These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will." BTW everyone with fast internet connections should view the Meet the press interview with Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish, La . Very poignant. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ Jefferson Parish president, Aaron Broussard--a president who actually gave a damn about his constituents said: "I want to give you one last story and I,ll shut up and let you tell me whatever you want to tell me. The guy who runs this building I,m in, Emergency Management, he's responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said, "Are you coming, son? Is somebody coming? and he said, "Yeah, Mama, somebody's coming to get you. Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday and she drowned Friday night. She drowned Friday night! Nobody's coming to get us. Nobody's coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybody's promised. They,ve had press conferences. I,m sick of the press conferences. For god's sakes, just shut up and send us somebody." Then Broussard burst into tears. People will not soon forget that image, not even the mainstream media it seems.

[Jim]

For someone who does not know what to say are doing a lot of it lately..... And keep your reference to the KKK to youself and your political leaders don't direct them at me or others on this list when they disagree with you. Next up I guess is your calling us Nazis, that seems to be what follows from your ilk. It seems you are quick to pigeonhole people you have never met, too bad and not a way to make friends. Have I talked with anyone directly from the disaster zone, nope. Perhaps when 400 of the refugees expected to arrive here soon in my town, I'll have the chance. Up to now I've seen the interviews, pictures, video and read the reports on broadcast news sources and from folks on line, up the entire time and inside NO. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ I saw and heard of feces on the walls on the carpet, trash strewn about in every area where people gathered in the SD. I read the story and first hand interviews of a stolen walker, rapes of women and children, tourists threatened, fights, suicides, gun shots, roving gangs, looting, attacks on hospitals and shots fired at rescuers. If you have information about good things that happened there great, share them, if you can tone down your rant long enough. If all your good at is slinging hatred then it becomes a bit easier to understand why folks who subscribe to this mantra are inclined to lash out at someone who arrives to help. --Jim A-15

> was in the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Are you getting your

information

> from the freakin' KKK? > It's 1955 all over again. I'm just plain disgusted. Just disgusted.

It's

> bad enough that people I know are now homeless, but now they're

considered

> to be nothing better than animals by the rest of their nation, based on > nothing more than ignorant rumors? I don't know what to say. I don't. > > -E

[Fred Hink]

Is it time for the list moderator to suggest that we tone down this subject, or are we still having fun? Please remember list rule number one. Thanks, Fred

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Katrina response > For someone who does not know what to say are doing a lot of it > lately.....

[Eric L. Green]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Conall wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, scott quillen wrote: >> Here's an interesting take on the Katrina aftermath... >> >> http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026 >> >> Regards, >> Scott > > I wasn't going to respond to this but....having seen the results of > the Nimitz freeway pancake in East Oakland, CA during Loma Prieta ' > *9, I know how the hardest of the hardened criminals will join > together to SAVE peoples lifes, not destroy them. I was not in New

(followed by a lot of loony conspiracy theory) Uhm, let's not jump the shark here. There were indeed some bad characters in New Orleans, just like in any large city. And with the police force out of commission in much of the city due to lack of communications and lack of transportation, they did a number on a lot of innocent people. Including maybe in the Superdome, I don't know anything about the Superdome, like I said I haven't talked to anybody who was at the Superdome. I have no doubt that some bad things happened out there when those thugs finally got to do their 'thang' without fear of the cops. I do know that conditions in the Convention Center weren't all that bad, other than the shortage of food and water and the crowding and the fact that the sick and elderly were dying from the heat and lack of medicine, until the National Guard arrived there on Thursday afternoon and LOCKED THEM IN. That's right. That's not a typo. The National Guard had gotten word that there was rioting at the Convention Center, and that was their response. (The "rioting" was a bunch of people chanting, "Where's our buses? Where's our water? Where's our food?"). At that point things got really bad, because they were basically left there to stand in their own feces and urine until the buses to take them away finally arrived Friday evening. As for people who are bound and detirmined to think that all "those" people are just a bunch of savages, I don't know what to say about that, except to say that the majority of people I've ever met in New Orleans, regardless of color, are nice people, and that a lot of them were penned up there like animals when the National Guard arrived and I don't know what to say after that except they needed help and all I hear is about how this paperwork didn't get signed and that paperwork didn't get signed and that's why it took four days until they finally got that help. -E

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Ya know Fred, I cannot help but think that if we were all on a DS ride somewhere, all had a few beers in us, and started yakkin about whatever the news had to offer for the day, these discussions would end up much the same way. Between talk of oil, oil filters and mpg, we would bash presidents, support our nation and espouse conspiracy theories. I think when one KLRista would attack another verbally, the rest of us would in kind know him/her down and get back on subject. As long as the thread starts with NKLR, I (personally) think that these thoughts and conjecture only serve to enlighten, and help us all understand this (and any other) horrible tragedy. Now myself, I'm riding tommorow, hell or highwater. (500 miles planned, more training for my Arctic Circle run) Looks to be the last warm day here in the pacific northwest, after tommorow were in for 9 months of rain. I'll ride in it, but tommorow, tommorow it will warm my heart. God Bless you all, even you crazy f***ers who don't think like me. Sean A-18 --- Fred Hink wrote:

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[scott quillen]

Jim, All I can say is AMEN! Knowing people who survived it or talking to some who were there doesn't paint the whole picture... It's pretty doubtful that any one person or even a dozen scattered throughout the carnage could provide a complete and accurate (unbiased) view of what happened last week in New Orleans, in the aftermath of Katrina. What upsets me the most is the finger-pointing at the federal government while many seem quick to forgive those who REALLY dropped the ball - city/county/state officials - those with PRIMARY responsibility to care for those in their immediate vicinity. Regards, Scott Jim wrote: For someone who does not know what to say are doing a lot of it lately..... And keep your reference to the KKK to youself and your political leaders don't direct them at me or others on this list when they disagree with you. Next up I guess is your calling us Nazis, that seems to be what follows from your ilk. It seems you are quick to pigeonhole people you have never met, too bad and not a way to make friends. Have I talked with anyone directly from the disaster zone, nope. Perhaps when 400 of the refugees expected to arrive here soon in my town, I'll have the chance. Up to now I've seen the interviews, pictures, video and read the reports on broadcast news sources and from folks on line, up the entire time and inside NO. http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/ I saw and heard of feces on the walls on the carpet, trash strewn about in every area where people gathered in the SD. I read the story and first hand interviews of a stolen walker, rapes of women and children, tourists threatened, fights, suicides, gun shots, roving gangs, looting, attacks on hospitals and shots fired at rescuers. If you have information about good things that happened there great, share them, if you can tone down your rant long enough. If all your good at is slinging hatred then it becomes a bit easier to understand why folks who subscribe to this mantra are inclined to lash out at someone who arrives to help. --Jim A-15

> was in the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Are you getting your

information

> from the freakin' KKK? > It's 1955 all over again. I'm just plain disgusted. Just disgusted.

It's

> bad enough that people I know are now homeless, but now they're

considered

> to be nothing better than animals by the rest of their nation, based on > nothing more than ignorant rumors? I don't know what to say. I don't. > > -E

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