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[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

I hear ya. "Back in the day" you were never caught without a beer between your legs driving. My brothers and I built stupid race vehicles and then got wasted to race em. Why we are alive I'll never know. One bro though is pretty messed up from ninja accident about 16 years ago. Has a steel rod for a Tibia to prove it. None of us road till this year. And I can't speak for my bro's, but unless I am off road, I am as careful as an alley cat. Zero accidents lifetime so far (knock on wooden head) --- Chris wrote:

> After dropping my first bike at 20 and making a > wretched mess of myself, > I'm glad I waited 15yrs until I got another one. I > used to ride and > drive like an ass back then and it's a wonder I > didn't get myself killed. > > I understand what it's like, but it's still not > something I feel all > that bad about when I hear of wrecks. > > I stopped most of my drinking and all of my drinking > and driving after > being an EMT myself. Spend some time picking up the > pieces of other > people's messes and it will change you. > > Arden Kysely wrote: > > I agree completely, but I think Will's point is > that wisdom of that > > sort is rare in a 20-year-old. And I agree with > that, too. I'm just > > happy to have made it through my youth with all my > limbs and a few > > operational brain cells. > > > > __Arden > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >

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[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

DO you suppose the Native Americans who were drinking beer before we got here, the Vickings, the Romans blamed their drunkedness on the big government complex too? And if so, did they say it as fact like you have in English, or did they say it in their native tongue? Just wondering.... --- WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

> > I don't see why this is so difficult to grasp. It > simply never was or will be a perfect world. Because > someone makes a bad decision doesn't make them a > moron. If that were the case Bush would have never > been elected dog catcher much less president. It > might mean they're young, impulsive, feel > unjustifiably invincible, are far too influenced by > peers or even the nations beer industry -- or, they > may have a drinking and/or drug problem. It might > mean too that in some parts of the country, such as > most college campuses, where drinking means binge > drinking. Interestingly, it's the norm among some > groups that have the highest I.Q.'s in the U.S. > These are the future doctors, engineer's and > lawyer's. All of them morons? I think not. > > In closing, as long as our society allows alcohol to > remain its #1 drug problem -- people will continue > killing themselves as well as other people - but it > isn't because they're morons. In my opinion, it's by > design and an engrained tolerance by a government > and industrial complex that tries very hard to get > us addicted to one kind of drug or another. > > We have the highest worker productivity, and most > drugs and the largest, most powerful military the > world has ever known. See any parallels here? > > Maybe this is just a bunch of bullshit and we should > be getting back to tires and doohickey's before some > of the regular posters get pissy and start whinning. > > > I'll close with one more item of interest --- > "Things are almost always not what they seem". > > > > KLR Rider - Scott Adams > wrote: > Actually, I don't see Tim's standard as that hard to > maintain. As a > firefighter/emt who picks people up off the highway > all too often, I > completely concur and will repeat: if you drink at > ALL, and ride, you're a > moron. > > -Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLAM GILMORE" > > > > Your response would be appropriate if everyone > were able to live by the > impeccable standards and degree of self > righteousness you're able to > demonstrate. Does this mean you've never fought a > chimpanze, pissed on an > > > Tim Nielsen wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, but if you drink at ALL, and ride, > you're a moron. It > > demands enough attention to ride sober. > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >

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[bigfatgreenbike]

matteeanne@... wrote:

>DO you suppose the Native Americans who were drinking >beer before we got here, the Vickings, the Romans >blamed their drunkedness on the big government complex >too? >

What Native American tribes were brewing beer, where and when? And where did you find this information? AFAIK alcohol as a recreational drug was brought to this continent by Europeans. Devon

[Bogdan Swider]

> > What Native American tribes were brewing beer, where and when? And where > did you find this information? > > AFAIK alcohol as a recreational drug was brought to this continent by > Europeans. > > Devon

The Incas and - I believe - the Mayas made alcohol. No native peoples - I've ever read about - in US/Canada did the same. Bogdan, who doesn't like the term Native American because since he was born in America he considers himself a native American. Wait ! He wasn't born in America. Sorry, bad point.

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

Well, ok, you got me, the Europeans brought it over. My point is, you gotta be a real dumbshit to believe that THE WORLDS problem with addictive substances is part of some big government cover up... It's just so much easier to blame someone else rather than take resposibility for your own actions. Sounds like something that War hero Kerry might say.... --- bigfatgreenbike wrote:

> > > matteeanne@... wrote: > > >DO you suppose the Native Americans who were > drinking > >beer before we got here, the Vickings, the Romans > >blamed their drunkedness on the big government > complex > >too? > > > > What Native American tribes were brewing beer, where > and when? And where > did you find this information? > > AFAIK alcohol as a recreational drug was brought to > this continent by > Europeans. > > Devon > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >

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[WILLAM GILMORE]

How many people do you know who are making their own anti-depresants, antibuse, methadon, weenie inflators etc.? Too, did you ever hear the slogan "alcohol is the opiate of the masses"? No, I haven't either but is sounds like it fits better than religion. So, fatgreenbike you don't think that lobbiests in Washington and our elected officials don't make deals that support profit over principal? If so, you're living in a different country than I am. matteeanne@... wrote: Well, ok, you got me, the Europeans brought it over. My point is, you gotta be a real dumbshit to believe that THE WORLDS problem with addictive substances is part of some big government cover up... It's just so much easier to blame someone else rather than take resposibility for your own actions. Sounds like something that War hero Kerry might say.... --- bigfatgreenbike wrote:

> > > matteeanne@... wrote: > > >DO you suppose the Native Americans who were > drinking > >beer before we got here, the Vickings, the Romans > >blamed their drunkedness on the big government > complex > >too? > > > > What Native American tribes were brewing beer, where > and when? And where > did you find this information? > > AFAIK alcohol as a recreational drug was brought to > this continent by > Europeans. > > Devon > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >

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[Devon]

matteeanne@... wrote:

>Well, ok, you got me, the Europeans brought it over. >My point is, you gotta be a real dumbshit to believe >that THE WORLDS problem with addictive substances is >part of some big government cover up... >

Yes, I think the "conspiracy" thing is silly. Advertising does work pretty well though. Many millions of dollars are poured every day into campaigns designed to influence your perceptions and preferences. Selling a kid a high powered bike because it will make him feel powerful is no different than selling a 6,000lb "passenger vehicle" because it will make a soccer mom feel safer.

>It's just so much easier to blame someone else rather >than take resposibility for your own actions. >

Welcome to America. Sue anyone today? Day ain't over yet...... Devon

[WILLAM GILMORE]

No one mentioned the word "conspiracy" until now. I don't believe for a moment that the government conspires to do anything -- their too fucking stupid and self-serving for the most part. I do know, however, that accepting major corporate donations in order to win an election makes for a form of symbiosis that requires that politicians not always act in the best interest of the unconnected, non-influential, morons like us. By morons I mean Americans who gauge their success in life by how well they conform to what advertisers want them to own and our government wants us to believe and support. Give us a smoke, can of brew, a war that we think we're kicking ass in, a pick-up the size of Grants tomb, a Super Walmart and a 7% mortage and we'll elect your ass in a heart beat. Four More Years .... Four More Years .... Four More Years .... same ol bullshit as Vietnam. Where in Washington do you think they'll put the Iraq Wall or some such memorial for this totally unneccessay war? Unneccessary only if oil, armament manufacturing and tactical support (i.e. Halliburton) isn't at issue. Where they're concerned this little tiff in the Middle East has been a real boon to our ecnomey for years to come. If your company was in any way connected to members of this administration you made a bucket of money these past 3 years. Devon wrote: matteeanne@... wrote:

>Well, ok, you got me, the Europeans brought it over. >My point is, you gotta be a real dumbshit to believe >that THE WORLDS problem with addictive substances is >part of some big government cover up... >

Yes, I think the "conspiracy" thing is silly. Advertising does work pretty well though. Many millions of dollars are poured every day into campaigns designed to influence your perceptions and preferences. Selling a kid a high powered bike because it will make him feel powerful is no different than selling a 6,000lb "passenger vehicle" because it will make a soccer mom feel safer.

>It's just so much easier to blame someone else rather >than take resposibility for your own actions. >

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[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 10:01 AM -0700 9/17/04, WILLAM GILMORE wrote:

>How many people do you know who are making their own >anti-depresants, antibuse, methadon, weenie inflators etc.?

My money's on MacGuyver, and maybe some rogue organic chemistry students. That probably explains the shortage of drain cleaner on the grocery shelves since the fall semester began. Mark

[Devon]

willgilmore@... wrote:

> How many people do you know who are making their own anti-depresants, > antibuse, methadon, weenie inflators etc.? > > Too, did you ever hear the slogan "alcohol is the opiate of the > masses"? No, I haven't either but is sounds like it fits better than > religion. > > So, fatgreenbike you don't think that lobbiests in Washington and our > elected officials don't make deals that support profit over principal? > If so, you're living in a different country than I am.

It's "bigfatgreenbike", not "fatgreenbike" and don't you forget it. Elected officials very frequently make deals that support profit over principal. It's called "corruption", and it's one of the reasons that a lot of folks think "politician" is a synonym for "prostitute". Although I personally think that selling your body is far more acceptable morally than selling your soul. But I don't think there is an organized conspiracy to get people addicted to alcohol. It sells well enough on its own, always has. Does the alcohol industry support the "war on drugs", as a way to suppress alternatives to alcohol? I believe so. We have no real measure of how harmful marijuana would be until it's in widespread use like alcohol, but I believe it can't be any worse. Devon