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[Glen Mills]

It's not the women I'm worried about. They are simply ignorant and can't help it. The guys that are in to this worry me. I would bet if you set this up in some third world country where there was no chance for these guys to be prosecuted they would choose real guns over paint ball guns and do some real hunting. There is a hatred of and or strong yearning to violently dominate women under the surface of this particular "game". A bunch of people getting together and playing a paintball war is no big deal. They have no real desire to kill people (usually) and there is no sexual satisfaction linked to the violent aspect of the game. Men who are sexually turned on by extreme violence (simulated murder) are something to be afraid of. This is the underlying motivation of all serial killers. There is a common theme in their development that begins with sexually violent fantasy that eventually escalates into reality. The reality never lives up to the fantasy so the killings continue until the person is stopped. I wouldn't trust any of these guys around a woman. Given the right set of circumstances they would be very dangerous. The underlying hatred might seem more clear if you imagined this same game with a particular minority as the quarry. Even if the "victims" were fully clothed and consented to this it would be very disturbing. The underlying desire would be very clear. Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote: At 1:36 PM -0400 7/15/03, Devon Jarvis wrote:

>Glen Mills wrote: >> >> Any guy who would do this needs some serious help. Absolutely the >>same type of > motivation as the sexual sadist, anger-retaliation >>rapist or serial killer who targets > women. Very sad... > >I agree this is troubling. On the surface it seems like a >less horrible outlet for that sort of illness than what you >usually see on the news, but I worry that it helps blur the >line between reality and fantasy for people who are mostly >nuts already.

While I'm unlikely to get turned on by this, I disagree. I just watched the news story and although the reportress is appalled and portrays it as dangerous and rape-like, these women involved are CONSENTING ADULTS who are PAID between $1,000 and $2,500 in an afternoon to play. Shit, if I was a woman, I'd sign up, get naked, work a couple of months and take the rest of the year off! No different than any other seedy industry in Vegas. Mark List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Harry Seifert]

> [Original Message] > From: Glen Mills > To: Tengai Mark Van Horn > Cc: KLR650 group DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 7/15/03 12:25:56 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] practicing with humans NKLR

Doesn't this prove the old saying....."women, you can't live with 'em, you can't shoot 'em!" I do agree with Mark tho....just another bit of sleaze from the sleaze capital of the world. Buddy

[dooden]

Devon, Depends how many times you squeeze the trigger when he is in your sights.. Did you play cowboy and indian when you were a little kid ? Was that a sign of times to come, or was it you just seen a good western and played out a fantasy that helped develop a young mind to think and process thoughts to help you out later in life ? Ok Ok nowdays im sure its not called cowboy and indian for PC reasons, but maybe cowboy and axis of evil people. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Devon Jarvis wrote: > > > Glen Mills wrote: > > > > Any guy who would do this needs some serious help. Absolutely the same type of > motivation as the sexual sadist, anger-retaliation rapist or serial killer who targets > women. Very sad... > > I agree this is troubling. On the surface it seems like a > less horrible outlet for that sort of illness than what you > usually see on the news, but I worry that it helps blur the > line between reality and fantasy for people who are mostly > nuts already. > > Oddly enough, I'm going to play paintball in two weekends as > part of my future brother-in-law's bachelor party. > > So I'm going to shoot paintballs at the guy who's nailing my > sister (but he'll have clothes on). Is this healthy, from a > psychological standpoint? > > Devon > > -- > "It's a troublesome world, > all the people who are in it, > are troubled with troubles > almost every minute" > > Dr. Seuss

[Tumu Rock]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Glen Mills wrote:

> It's not the women I'm worried about. They are simply ignorant and

can't help it. The guys that are in to this worry me. Just level the playing field and it's all good by me. Give the women guns as well and the men gotta take it off too. Gotta be naked to shoot naked but you might get shot naked. All's fair in love and naked. dat brooklyn bum

[Glen Mills]

Now that would be much healthier !!! I think you might be on to something - "Naked Co-ed Paintball". I bet you would sell a TON of T-shirts. People love shirts that say "naked Co-ed" anything. How do you get a trademark on something like that? Call me a wussy but I still wouldn't want to get hit with one of those below the belt line. That could be pretty messy...Most people wouldn't play but they might buy a shirt! $$$$$ Tumu Rock wrote: --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Glen Mills wrote:

> It's not the women I'm worried about. They are simply ignorant and

can't help it. The guys that are in to this worry me. Just level the playing field and it's all good by me. Give the women guns as well and the men gotta take it off too. Gotta be naked to shoot naked but you might get shot naked. All's fair in love and naked. dat brooklyn bum List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Karl Juengel]

Nothing wrong with that, Naked is what naked does. But getting hit by a paintball hurts! And getting hit in the nuts with a paintball would probably put you out of the game. I got shot in the jaw one time from about 10 feet away. The idiot was on my "team" and shot me as I was walking off the field. It hit from behind under my mask, man that hurt. Kinda bloody too. Karl on 7/16/03 10:53 AM, Glen Mills at bluesamurai22@... wrote:

> Now that would be much healthier !!! I think you might be on to something - > "Naked Co-ed Paintball". I bet you would sell a TON of T-shirts. People love > shirts that say "naked Co-ed" anything. How do you get a trademark on > something like that? > > Call me a wussy but I still wouldn't want to get hit with one of those below > the belt line. That could be pretty messy...Most people wouldn't play but > they might buy a shirt! $$$$$ > > Tumu Rock wrote: > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Glen Mills > wrote: >> It's not the women I'm worried about. They are simply ignorant and > can't help it. The guys that are in to this worry me. > > Just level the playing field and it's all good by me. Give the women > guns as well and the men gotta take it off too. Gotta be naked to > shoot naked but you might get shot naked. All's fair in love and > naked. > > dat brooklyn bum > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy > of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy > of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[robert bowman]

On Wednesday 16 July 2003 18:00, Judson D. Jones wrote:

> You will notice some power loss due to the reduced > air density at altitude, but your mixture will be OK.

I might add that YOU, and not your bike, will notice some power loss, too. Hiking at 14000 is a good preview of emphysema. A lot of the higher elevations are really pretty gentle slope and you mind will tell you to go faster than your body can support.