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[marcclarke@unforgettable.com]

I wonder if we could strap a 120 smoothbore from an M1 Abrams tank onto a KLR650. Hmmm. Recoil might be a tad exciting. -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA ----Original Message-----

>From: "FGJ" >To: ;"Peter Dahlheimer, MD" ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! >Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 14:06 > > >> A first shot stop is defined as an attacker not being able to fire another >shot, stab, or strike after being shot. A first shot stop has nothing to do >with mortality, only with shutting down an in-progress attack. >Marc > > The most effective "one shot stop" is IMHO the beehive round from the >120mm smoothbore on the Abrahms Years ago an old China Marine told me " >if your lookin >for stopping power get a Buick " KLR's and ordinace a dangerous combination >:-0 >Fred J

[jett@rimrockconsulting.com]

S&W Sigma .40, and a Ruger .22 target pistol. I don't carry when I ride, but I usually have a collapsible baton in the tank bag. If I had an extra $600, I'd get a Kahr K40. Jett

> > LOL ! Now here's an NKLR thread to start, how many and what kind

of guns do

> you guys own?? > Cheers, > Steve > A11 > .303 Lee-Enfield No 1 mk III > Remington 870 Express 12 ga.

[FGJ]

> I wonder if we could strap a 120 smoothbore from an M1 Abrams tank onto a

KLR650. Hmmm. Recoil might be a tad exciting.

> -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA >

Marc You'd have to be in 1st or 2nd gear

[Dan Oaks]

on 9/29/01 5:00 PM, FGJ at cpb@... wrote:

> > >> I wonder if we could strap a 120 smoothbore from an M1 Abrams tank onto a > KLR650. Hmmm. Recoil might be a tad exciting. >> -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA >> > Marc > > You'd have to be in 1st or 2nd gear > >

I think you've found the ultimate modification to the improve the KLR's shitty front brake. -- bierdo

[FGJ]

> >> I wonder if we could strap a 120 smoothbore from an M1 Abrams tank onto

a

> > KLR650. Hmmm. Recoil might be a tad exciting. > >> -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA > >> > > Marc > > > > You'd have to be in 1st or 2nd gear > > > > > I think you've found the ultimate modification to the improve the KLR's > shitty front brake.

Lot's of bikes (even some shafties) can wheelie, some can do stoppies but only the 120 mm equipped KLR could do a "Backie" Fred J

[Enlow, Kyle S]

Just a comment. I wouldn't brag or tell anyone how many guns I own especially on an email list. To many prying eyes. Just a thought. Kyle -----Original Message----- From: Steve Pye [mailto:spye@...] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:45 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! -----Original Message----- From: guymanbro@... To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:10 PM

>I'm tellin you whut...if half the boyz on this list are half the men >they cliam to be, owning half the guns they claim to own -- Well, I >think we got the homeland pretty much secure thanks very much. dat >brooklyn bum (no guns but the ones I's born with--I'll mosh an enemy to >death in an instant though!)

LOL ! Now here's an NKLR thread to start, how many and what kind of guns do you guys own?? Cheers, Steve A11 .303 Lee-Enfield No 1 mk III Remington 870 Express 12 ga. Checkout Dual Sport News at http://www.dualsportnews.com Be part of the Adventure! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Enlow, Kyle S]

What do you mean by recent happenings? WTC! How can a gun prevent that? Chem or biological attack? How can a gun help with that? Break down of our government? A gun might help you in that situation. However we are a long way from that. Never the less I will give you my two cents. Buy a rifle that is cambered for a very common round 223 or sks caliber. That way if the end of the world is near you will be able to scavenge ammunition. Pistols are fun toys but not very accurate plus they are not very powerful compared to rifles. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD [mailto:dahlheim@...] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:55 PM To: Steve Pye; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! living now in colorado, seemingly land of countless gun shops/owners, and with the recent happenings, i plan on buying one in the near future. i've never even fired one, although i'm a damned good shot with a BB gun 8^)... any comments, recommendations, referrals, etc are appreciated. not sure, but i guess i'm favoring the idea of a pistol. _pete your friendly neighborhood gun-toting(?) bike-riding ER doc...

> -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Pye [mailto:spye@...] > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:45 AM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: guymanbro@... > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:10 PM > > > >I'm tellin you whut...if half the boyz on this list are half the men > >they cliam to be, owning half the guns they claim to own -- Well, I > >think we got the homeland pretty much secure thanks very much. dat > >brooklyn bum (no guns but the ones I's born with--I'll mosh an enemy > >to death in an instant though!) > > > LOL ! Now here's an NKLR thread to start, how many and what kind of > guns do you guys own?? > Cheers, > Steve > A11 > .303 Lee-Enfield No 1 mk III > Remington 870 Express 12 ga. > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >

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[Peter Dahlheimer, MD]

yes, i mean the wtc, and more so its aftermath. i don't intend to "prevent" a similar situation from happening again. it's not possible with a handgun, and it's not my job. i simply wish to have the ability to protect myself. if you think that'll be the end of confrontations of any type requiring personal protection on our soil, then i hope you're right and i think you're wrong.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Enlow, Kyle S [mailto:kenlow@...] > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:47 AM > To: 'Peter Dahlheimer, MD'; Steve Pye; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > What do you mean by recent happenings? WTC! How can a gun prevent that? > Chem or biological attack? How can a gun help with that? Break > down of our > government? A gun might help you in that situation. However we > are a long > way from that. Never the less I will give you my two cents. Buy a rifle > that is cambered for a very common round 223 or sks caliber. That way if > the end of the world is near you will be able to scavenge ammunition. > Pistols are fun toys but not very accurate plus they are not very powerful > compared to rifles. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD [mailto:dahlheim@...] > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:55 PM > To: Steve Pye; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > living now in colorado, seemingly land of countless gun shops/owners, and > with the recent happenings, i plan on buying one in the near future. i've > never even fired one, although i'm a damned good shot with a BB gun 8^)... > > any comments, recommendations, referrals, etc are appreciated. > > not sure, but i guess i'm favoring the idea of a pistol. > > _pete > your friendly neighborhood gun-toting(?) bike-riding ER doc... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Pye [mailto:spye@...] > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:45 AM > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: guymanbro@... > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > > >I'm tellin you whut...if half the boyz on this list are half the men > > >they cliam to be, owning half the guns they claim to own -- Well, I > > >think we got the homeland pretty much secure thanks very much. dat > > >brooklyn bum (no guns but the ones I's born with--I'll mosh an enemy > > >to death in an instant though!) > > > > > > LOL ! Now here's an NKLR thread to start, how many and what kind of > > guns do you guys own?? > > Cheers, > > Steve > > A11 > > .303 Lee-Enfield No 1 mk III > > Remington 870 Express 12 ga. > > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Be part of the Adventure! > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

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[Enlow, Kyle S]

First let me say I am not against gun ownership. I think all Americans should own at least one firearm. As for personal protection. I guess if you are prepared to carry the firearm at all times you are covered. That is to say if you know how to use it. I have carried a firearm for personal protection in the past but found it to be more of a pain than it is worth. I have never once needed a firearm for personal protection. That doesn't mean I won't. However it requires a lot of training and effort to carry a firearm responsibly. One last thing remember if you pull a firearm on someone you better be ready to pull the trigger. If you are not ready to do that leave the gun at home. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD [mailto:dahlheim@...] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:59 AM To: Enlow, Kyle S; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! yes, i mean the wtc, and more so its aftermath. i don't intend to "prevent" a similar situation from happening again. it's not possible with a handgun, and it's not my job. i simply wish to have the ability to protect myself. if you think that'll be the end of confrontations of any type requiring personal protection on our soil, then i hope you're right and i think you're wrong.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Enlow, Kyle S [mailto:kenlow@...] > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:47 AM > To: 'Peter Dahlheimer, MD'; Steve Pye; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > What do you mean by recent happenings? WTC! How can a gun prevent > that? Chem or biological attack? How can a gun help with that? Break > down of our government? A gun might help you in that situation. > However we are a long > way from that. Never the less I will give you my two cents. Buy a rifle > that is cambered for a very common round 223 or sks caliber. That way if > the end of the world is near you will be able to scavenge ammunition. > Pistols are fun toys but not very accurate plus they are not very powerful > compared to rifles. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD [mailto:dahlheim@...] > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:55 PM > To: Steve Pye; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > living now in colorado, seemingly land of countless gun shops/owners, > and with the recent happenings, i plan on buying one in the near > future. i've never even fired one, although i'm a damned good shot > with a BB gun 8^)... > > any comments, recommendations, referrals, etc are appreciated. > > not sure, but i guess i'm favoring the idea of a pistol. > > _pete > your friendly neighborhood gun-toting(?) bike-riding ER doc... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Pye [mailto:spye@...] > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:45 AM > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: guymanbro@... > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:10 PM > > > > > > >I'm tellin you whut...if half the boyz on this list are half the > > >men they cliam to be, owning half the guns they claim to own -- > > >Well, I think we got the homeland pretty much secure thanks very > > >much. dat brooklyn bum (no guns but the ones I's born with--I'll > > >mosh an enemy to death in an instant though!) > > > > > > LOL ! Now here's an NKLR thread to start, how many and what kind of > > guns do you guys own?? Cheers, > > Steve > > A11 > > .303 Lee-Enfield No 1 mk III > > Remington 870 Express 12 ga. > > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Be part of the Adventure! > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

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[marcclarke@unforgettable.com]

Kyle said, " it requires a lot of training and effort to carry a firearm responsibly". I fully agree. The NRA self-defense courses address the skills and issues involved. They are an excellent starting point. A state-run hunter's safety course is not adequate. Kyle also said, "One last thing remember if you pull a firearm on someone you better be ready to pull the trigger. If you are not ready to do that leave the gun at home." Again, I fully agree. I propose the following as a personal Bill of Rights: "No one has the right, through action or inaction, to cause me physical harm." As motorcyclists riding on the street, we are all accustomed to taking predictive and proactive action to predict the actions (and inaction, esp. in the case of cagers taling on cell phones while driving) to prevent some one else from harming us. Many of us attend Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses to refine and sharpen our perception and skills for avoiding injury at the hands of others. I do. Dr. Pete works in an emergency room in a hospital or clinic. I have worked in an ER in a major city as an orderly many years ago. I know full well that an ER can be a very dangerous place. I know that ER docs in Los Angeles carry firearms as a matter of course. I will leave it up to Dr. Pete to assess whether he is at risk and whether he is willing to defend his own life from violent attack or whether he plans to be a complacent victim. I highly recommend Massad Ayoob's excellent books on the issues involved in personal self defense, titled "In the Gravest Extreme" and "Stressfire". I also highly recommend that someone who wants to learn how to responsibly defend his/her own life using a firearm to attend a multi-day pistol, rifle, or shotgun course at one of the major teaching centers, such as the internationally famous Gunsite school in Arizona or Gunsmoke in Wheaton, Colorado. -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA ----Original Message-----

>From: "Enlow, Kyle S" >To: "'Peter Dahlheimer, MD'" ;"Enlow, Kyle S"; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! >Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 09:53 > >First let me say I am not against gun ownership. I think all Americans >should own at least one firearm. As for personal protection. I guess if >you are prepared to carry the firearm at all times you are covered. That is >to say if you know how to use it. I have carried a firearm for personal >protection in the past but found it to be more of a pain than it is worth. >I have never once needed a firearm for personal protection. That doesn't >mean I won't. However it requires a lot of training and effort to carry a >firearm responsibly. One last thing remember if you pull a firearm on >someone you better be ready to pull the trigger. If you are not ready to do >that leave the gun at home. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD [mailto:dahlheim@...] >Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:59 AM >To: Enlow, Kyle S; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! > > > >yes, i mean the wtc, and more so its aftermath. i don't intend to "prevent" >a similar situation from happening again. it's not possible with a handgun, >and it's not my job. i simply wish to have the ability to protect myself. >if you think that'll be the end of confrontations of any type requiring >personal protection on our soil, then i hope you're right and i think you're >wrong. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Enlow, Kyle S [mailto:kenlow@...] >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:47 AM >> To: 'Peter Dahlheimer, MD'; Steve Pye; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! >> >> >> What do you mean by recent happenings? WTC! How can a gun prevent >> that? Chem or biological attack? How can a gun help with that? Break >> down of our government? A gun might help you in that situation. >> However we are a long >> way from that. Never the less I will give you my two cents. Buy a rifle >> that is cambered for a very common round 223 or sks caliber. That way if >> the end of the world is near you will be able to scavenge ammunition. >> Pistols are fun toys but not very accurate plus they are not very powerful >> compared to rifles. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Dahlheimer, MD [mailto:dahlheim@...] >> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 12:55 PM >> To: Steve Pye; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! >> >> >> living now in colorado, seemingly land of countless gun shops/owners, >> and with the recent happenings, i plan on buying one in the near >> future. i've never even fired one, although i'm a damned good shot >> with a BB gun 8^)... >> >> any comments, recommendations, referrals, etc are appreciated. >> >> not sure, but i guess i'm favoring the idea of a pistol. >> >> _pete >> your friendly neighborhood gun-toting(?) bike-riding ER doc... >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Steve Pye [mailto:spye@...] >> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 11:45 AM >> > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Guns ! >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: guymanbro@... >> > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> > Date: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:10 PM >> > >> > >> > >I'm tellin you whut...if half the boyz on this list are half the >> > >men they cliam to be, owning half the guns they claim to own -- >> > >Well, I think we got the homeland pretty much secure thanks very >> > >much. dat brooklyn bum (no guns but the ones I's born with--I'll >> > >mosh an enemy to death in an instant though!) >> > >> > >> > LOL ! Now here's an NKLR thread to start, how many and what kind of >> > guns do you guys own?? Cheers, >> > Steve >> > A11 >> > .303 Lee-Enfield No 1 mk III >> > Remington 870 Express 12 ga. >> > >> > >> > Checkout Dual Sport News at >> > http://www.dualsportnews.com >> > Be part of the Adventure! >> > >> > Visit the KLR650 archives at >> > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >> > >> > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> Checkout Dual Sport News at >> http://www.dualsportnews.com >> Be part of the Adventure! >> >> Visit the KLR650 archives at >> http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 >> >> Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >> Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >Checkout Dual Sport News at >http://www.dualsportnews.com >Be part of the Adventure! > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >