tubless tires on a klr ?

[Dan Oaks]

Good un, Stewart. I found it an interesting experiment also. Some of the reactions of listers were surprising to me. I still am basically a naive old fashioned person. I don't mean because you fooled me, I was just surprised at the quantity of chauvinistic remarks, sexual innuendoes, and direct comebacks to a seemingly nice person that was not obviously fishing. Certainly, some of it was from those who new damned well there was something fishy, but I still found all these responses curious. You see, I would not hesitate to tell Jennifer to go fuck herself if appropriate, but would never consider asking her for one. I am old fashioned, I guess. I do like to screw with people's minds when I write, but I try to limit it to making people think by harmlessly offending them or stirring them up. Yours was a completely different approach that borders on causing pain to people that really care about other people. A good soap opera with a horrific ending is only good when everyone knows it's just a soap opera. I think your scheme was brilliant, and it resulted in some really interesting and educational responses, and made a lot of us look deeper into our feelings about our everyday interactions with women that operate within our realm of interest. However, I think we'd all and even enjoyed and maybe even respected you for an "April Fool" ending, rather that the one you chose. All right . . . you've pulled a shitty on us, you've owned up to it; apologized for it; now it's time to see how good you really are. Put on your thinking cap and come up with another one that we can all enjoy . . . all the way to an uproariously funny and astonishing gotcha. Don't let this cramp your style! I'll be watching for it. Just my opinion, and I'm crazy. regards, -- bierdo fireball@... wrote:

> It is true. Jennifer never existed. I did it. > > I apologize for manipulating the list. It was so easy, but not > clever. I feel so stupid. > > > I hope you all can find it in your hearts to forgive my > transgressions. I feel so bad, so soiled. After being one of the > original people on this list, and after being so responsible for so > long, I feel my reputation is, like, totally shot. >

[Robert Morgan]

So Des Cartes walks into a bar, the bartender asks can I pour you a beer. Des Cartes answers "I think not" and then promptly vanishes! Morgan

----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Rich Kickbush ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; Brad Davis Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: The Truth About Jennifer - Fireball Did It - NKLR > > I really exist. > > > > Don't be too sure. If our amateur sociologist turns his > > interest to amateur philosophy, he may just end up proving that > > you don't. > > How about it Fireball? > > > > Rich > > My mind's messed with enough already, I don't really need help > > from imaginary people...&) > > Great philosophical material in the background of all of this. Here are two > of the most famous paragraphs in the entire history of philosophy. From Rene > Des Cartes' "Meditations on First Philosophy." The first is from Meditation > I, the second from Meditation II. In the first, he invokes the famous > "Cartesian Doubt" in the second, he looks from his window and wonders if all > of the "people" he is seeing aren't really automatons..machines... > > 12. I will suppose, then, not that Deity, who is sovereignly good and the > fountain of truth, but that some malignant demon, who is at once exceedingly > potent and deceitful, has employed all his artifice to deceive me; I will > suppose that the sky, the air, the earth, colors, figures, sounds, and all > external things, are nothing better than the illusions of dreams, by means > of which this being has laid snares for my credulity; I will consider myself > as without hands, eyes, flesh, blood, or any of the senses, and as falsely > believing that I am possessed of these; I will continue resolutely fixed in > this belief, and if indeed by this means it be not in my power to arrive at > the knowledge of truth, I shall at least do what is in my power, viz, [ > suspend my judgment ], and guard with settled purpose against giving my > assent to what is false, and being imposed upon by this deceiver, whatever > be his power and artifice. But this undertaking is arduous, and a certain > indolence insensibly leads me back to my ordinary course of life; and just > as the captive, who, perchance, was enjoying in his dreams an imaginary > liberty, when he begins to suspect that it is but a vision, dreads > awakening, and conspires with the agreeable illusions that the deception may > be prolonged; so I, of my own accord, fall back into the train of my former > beliefs, and fear to arouse myself from my slumber, lest the time of > laborious wakefulness that would succeed this quiet rest, in place of > bringing any light of day, should prove inadequate to dispel the darkness > that will arise from the difficulties that have now been raised.[ L][ F] > > > 13. But, meanwhile, I feel greatly astonished when I observe [the weakness > of my mind, and] its proneness to error. For although, without at all giving > expression to what I think, I consider all this in my own mind, words yet > occasionally impede my progress, and I am almost led into error by the terms > of ordinary language. We say, for example, that we see the same wax when it > is before us, and not that we judge it to be the same from its retaining the > same color and figure: whence I should forthwith be disposed to conclude > that the wax is known by the act of sight, and not by the intuition of the > mind alone, were it not for the analogous instance of human beings passing > on in the street below, as observed from a window. In this case I do not > fail to say that I see the men themselves, just as I say that I see the wax; > and yet what do I see from the window beyond hats and cloaks that might > cover artificial machines, whose motions might be determined by springs ? > But I judge that there are human beings from these appearances, and thus I > comprehend, by the faculty of judgment alone which is in the mind, what I > believed I saw with my eyes.[ L][ F] > > http://hypatia.wright.edu/DesCartes/Meditations.html > > Kurt > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Dan Oaks]

I have a dual personality, but the other one doesn't really exist. He's the one that writes all this shit! 8^( -- bierdo k650dsn@... wrote:

> > I think there is a perfect explanation why some of us tend to do the > personality thing. You see, we have been riding dual sport bikes for > so long, that the multiple personalities of our bikes have melded with > us.... it could happen > > Gino

[Dale_Johnson@ahm.honda.com]

Whats better than roses on tyour piano? Dale

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Robert Morgan" wrote: > So Des Cartes walks into a bar, the bartender asks can I pour you a beer. > Des Cartes answers "I think not" and then promptly vanishes! > Morgan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kurt Simpson > To: Rich Kickbush ; ; Brad > Davis > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:55 AM > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Re: The Truth About Jennifer - Fireball Did It - > NKLR > > > > > I really exist. > > > > > > Don't be too sure. If our amateur sociologist turns his > > > interest to amateur philosophy, he may just end up proving that > > > you don't. > > > How about it Fireball? > > > > > > Rich > > > My mind's messed with enough already, I don't really need help > > > from imaginary people...&) > > > > Great philosophical material in the background of all of this. Here are > two > > of the most famous paragraphs in the entire history of philosophy. From > Rene > > Des Cartes' "Meditations on First Philosophy." The first is from > Meditation > > I, the second from Meditation II. In the first, he invokes the famous > > "Cartesian Doubt" in the second, he looks from his window and wonders if > all > > of the "people" he is seeing aren't really automatons..machines... > > > > 12. I will suppose, then, not that Deity, who is sovereignly good and the > > fountain of truth, but that some malignant demon, who is at once > exceedingly > > potent and deceitful, has employed all his artifice to deceive me; I will > > suppose that the sky, the air, the earth, colors, figures, sounds, and all > > external things, are nothing better than the illusions of dreams, by means > > of which this being has laid snares for my credulity; I will consider > myself > > as without hands, eyes, flesh, blood, or any of the senses, and as falsely > > believing that I am possessed of these; I will continue resolutely fixed > in > > this belief, and if indeed by this means it be not in my power to arrive > at > > the knowledge of truth, I shall at least do what is in my power, viz, [ > > suspend my judgment ], and guard with settled purpose against giving my > > assent to what is false, and being imposed upon by this deceiver, whatever > > be his power and artifice. But this undertaking is arduous, and a certain > > indolence insensibly leads me back to my ordinary course of life; and just > > as the captive, who, perchance, was enjoying in his dreams an imaginary > > liberty, when he begins to suspect that it is but a vision, dreads > > awakening, and conspires with the agreeable illusions that the deception > may > > be prolonged; so I, of my own accord, fall back into the train of my > former > > beliefs, and fear to arouse myself from my slumber, lest the time of > > laborious wakefulness that would succeed this quiet rest, in place of > > bringing any light of day, should prove inadequate to dispel the darkness > > that will arise from the difficulties that have now been raised.[ L][ F] > > > > > > 13. But, meanwhile, I feel greatly astonished when I observe [the weakness > > of my mind, and] its proneness to error. For although, without at all > giving > > expression to what I think, I consider all this in my own mind, words yet > > occasionally impede my progress, and I am almost led into error by the > terms > > of ordinary language. We say, for example, that we see the same wax when > it > > is before us, and not that we judge it to be the same from its retaining > the > > same color and figure: whence I should forthwith be disposed to conclude > > that the wax is known by the act of sight, and not by the intuition of the > > mind alone, were it not for the analogous instance of human beings passing > > on in the street below, as observed from a window. In this case I do not > > fail to say that I see the men themselves, just as I say that I see the > wax; > > and yet what do I see from the window beyond hats and cloaks that might > > cover artificial machines, whose motions might be determined by springs ? > > But I judge that there are human beings from these appearances, and thus I > > comprehend, by the faculty of judgment alone which is in the mind, what I > > believed I saw with my eyes.[ L][ F] > > > > http://hypatia.wright.edu/DesCartes/Meditations.html > > > > Kurt > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@s... > > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > >

[fireball@heaslet.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., S2Mumford@a... wrote:

>> It is true. Jennifer never existed. I did it. > Does this mean no blowjob?

Big Gun owners never have to ask that question. Fireball

[fireball@heaslet.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Robert Morgan" wrote:

> So Des Cartes walks into a bar, the bartender asks can I pour you a

beer.

> Des Cartes answers "I think not" and then promptly vanishes!

I thought he was never really there. But how could I know? Fireball

[InWoods13@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/21/01 12:18:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, fireball@... writes: << It is true. Jennifer never existed. I did it. >> It was the verification by a longtime SoCal female lister some time back, that had me convinced. Should have been tipped off by the flight attendant angle. It was cool to at least think, that we had more female KLR pilots on the list. Didn't like the death post tho (too real). Having to go to Japan for photo shoots, of the soon to be unveiled 2002 KLR650 twin, would have been a more shiny happy ending. Scott A14 "thunderdog"

[fireball@heaslet.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., InWoods13@a... wrote:

> Didn't like the death post tho (too real). Having to go to Japan

for photo shoots, of the soon to be unveiled 2002 KLR650 twin, would have been a more shiny happy ending. Well, Thunderdog, you shoulda seen the real bloody story that was cooked up first! Pieces everywhere, with yapping, snarling Mexican dogs streaming to the crash site! Instead, we tried to be sensitive, by mentioning Jennifers family. Fireball

[Don]

Bravo!!! Well done!!!

----- Original Message ----- From: To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] The Truth About Jennifer - Fireball Did It - NKLR > It is true. Jennifer never existed. I did it. > > I apologize for manipulating the list. It was so easy, but not > clever. I feel so stupid. > > However, some observations: > > Most of you showed total class with Jennifer. Bogdan was really > cool, fer instance. Monahan was cool. Lot's of others were cool. > > But... > > Nearly a dozen of you offered unsolicited sexual suggestions to > Jennifer offlist during her short, tempestuous life. Lessee...that > would be almost a one percent response rate. Direct mail people > quiver at those numbers. You guys should pat yourselves on the back, > maybe. > > When Jennifer challenged the list regarding its sexist treatment of a > fellow rider, she got over 30 apologies. That's a whopping 2.7 > percent response rate. She began to feel a great love for the list > at that point. > > And as Jennifer's technical intellect began to blossom (after she got > off her meds), and she began to offer playful, yet real answers to > real tech issues, there was always a verifiable cadre of list members > who preferred to make sexual responses, or discount the validity of > the observations simply because they questioned her existence. List > members, in fact, demanded proof of her existence, to an extent well > beyond what would have been granted to a man. I dunno - I've met > less than 50 of you, so how do I know the rest of you really exist? > > Finally, this exercise confirmed that a certain group will foster pre- > conceived notions of who could do such a dastardly manipulation. > Gino and Ron were unjustly accused for no other reason that they did > the same thing earlier. Jennifer was shocked to learn that this > prejudice had nothing to do with fact, and that anyone could believe > that Gino and Ron could be so dumb to try it again. Clearly, it > takes a new dumb person to do it again. > > Lastly, I wish to formally apologize for dragging Toby and Gino and a > few others into this mess. I derive all my inspiration from these > men, and admit it was not terribly imaginative. I apologize to the > women on this list, one who I convinced to lie on Jennifer's behalf. > > You may also be assured that the T-shirt design, financed by me for > no consideration on behalf of the Moab Get-Together is alive and > well. I fully expect a partial boycott of this shirt as a result of > this exercise, and if that works out for some of you, great. > > I hope you all can find it in your hearts to forgive my > transgressions. I feel so bad, so soiled. After being one of the > original people on this list, and after being so responsible for so > long, I feel my reputation is, like, totally shot. > > Let's go ride. > > Best Regards, > > Stuart, aka Fireball > Stuart, Florida USA > 1998 KLR 650 > 58,000 miles > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Ted Palmer]

Dale_Johnson@... asked:

> Whats better than roses on tyour piano?

[much snipperoony] Dunno, but I guess it wouldn't be a Roseanne Barr/Arnold/whatever on your piano. Mister_T