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Norm Keller
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pd westman oiling modification update

Post by Norm Keller » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:51 pm

I ran a retest of the idle speed with and without the restriction in the oil filter cover.  Idle speed (warm) with stock filter cover 1200 RPM Idle speed with restricted cover 1450 RPM. I had reported that difference before but had to buy a cover so could switch back and forth to confirm. Definitely less engine drag due to oil from crankshaft. Since the other factors remain the same, I expect that the oil pressure at the pump must increase because of more restriction. This must mean that more oil pump load, due to the higher restriction/elevated il pressure resistance, is counteracting the effect. If the oil pressure were kept the same at the pump, I'd expect a higher idle speed. As soon as have time to plumb in the gauge Paul sent, I will see if can see that effect.

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pd westman oiling modification update

Post by Mark W. » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:52 am

NOT group? (hit just single arrow) equal psi? Like flushing the Tiolet while showering, could some areas not get well oiled, if back pressure reduced? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: 12/11/2015 8:11 PM (GMT-05:00) To: DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] PD Westman oiling modification update   I ran a retest of the idle speed with and without the restriction in the oil filter cover.  Idle speed (warm) with stock filter cover 1200 RPM Idle speed with restricted cover 1450 RPM. I had reported that difference before but had to buy a cover so could switch back and forth to confirm. Definitely less engine drag due to oil from crankshaft. Since the other factors remain the same, I expect that the oil pressure at the pump must increase because of more restriction. This must mean that more oil pump load, due to the higher restriction/elevated il pressure resistance, is counteracting the effect. If the oil pressure were kept the same at the pump, I'd expect a higher idle speed. As soon as have time to plumb in the gauge Paul sent, I will see if can see that effect.

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pd westman oiling modification update

Post by normkel2000 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:57 pm

Are able to rephrase your message, Mark? It may be that your ap "corrected" the phrasing.

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klr banjo bolt size.

Post by Norm Keller » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:51 pm

#ygrps-yiv-1770644100 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-1770644100cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-1770644100 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-1770644100cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-1770644100 .ygrps-yiv-1770644100plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-1770644100 .ygrps-yiv-1770644100plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;white-space:pre-wrap;} #ygrps-yiv-1770644100 a img {border:0px;}#ygrps-yiv-1770644100 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-1770644100 .ygrps-yiv-1770644100plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-1770644100 .ygrps-yiv-1770644100plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} Tom Schmitz just gave the best ever description of the tiny banjo bolt hole size for the KLR oil pipe banjos: "Those holes are so tiny that they are best described as a 'bolt with a leak'. " I got coffee up my nose! :-)

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pd westman oiling modification update

Post by mark ward » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:44 pm

If changing the restriction PSI in one area, Could that take it away from another a that needs the higher PSI to get it into that area? (PS In the "States" it's PSI "Pounds & INCHES" What is it in Canada, A Metric area? LOL) On Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:57 PM, "normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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pd westman oiling modification update

Post by Norm Keller » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:51 pm

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#ygrps-yiv-2078476929yiv9672006604ygrp-mlmsg * {LINE-HEIGHT:1.22em;} kPa is the usual pressure rating in the ISO system. I'm a dinosaur so tend to think in PSI unless referencing scuba. Reducing the flow to the crankshaft by restricting that oil gallery will increase the oil flow to the remaining areas. The idea behind drilling out the banjo holes is to increase the oil flow to the cams and transmission by reducing restriction/pressure drop. This will further reduce oil flow to the crankshaft, although likely by a very modest amount. I think the US and some one or two third world countries still use the imperial system for measure. Science and much of US tech is metric also. The mistake the US Fed made in trying to get Americans to convert was, IMO, to tell them that they should do because it was a good idea. They should have said it was a bad idea and they wouldn't allow the change to metric. The conversion would have been done by the end of the week. ;-)   ------ Original Message ------ From: "mark ward" To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; "normkel32@..." Sent: 2015-12-12 4:44:18 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: PD Westman oiling modification update  
If changing the restriction PSI in one area, Could that take it away from another a that needs the higher PSI to get it into that area? (PS In the "States" it's PSI "Pounds & INCHES" What is it in Canada, A Metric area? LOL) On Saturday, December 12, 2015 2:57 PM, "normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Are able to rephrase your message, Mark? It may be that your ap "corrected" the phrasing.

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