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[Norm Keller]

#ygrps-yiv-72729595 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-72729595cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-72729595 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-72729595cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-72729595 .ygrps-yiv-72729595plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-72729595 .ygrps-yiv-72729595plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;} #ygrps-yiv-72729595 a img {border:0px;}#ygrps-yiv-72729595 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-72729595 .ygrps-yiv-72729595plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-72729595 .ygrps-yiv-72729595plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} Here's a piston from a 2014 RMZ250 which was brought to a stop by a big wad of sand inhaled while climbing a sand bank. No oil in the freshly cleaned foam air filter- zero, nada, zip, not a sausage. There is sand through the airbox, through the carb, through the intake and a big wad which caused the bruised area at the lower side of the piston in the photo. No worries, the kid's dad pays the bill, so no need to bother putting oil on the air filter foam. This is fairly common in my experience.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7d3f2azvx...0sand.jpg?dl=0

[achesley43@ymail.com]

In the early 90's I worked as service manager at a Kawasaki/Yamaha Dealership. I was amazed at the lack of maintenance on many machines that came in for repair. Even one kid that figured he'd get more hp by leaving the air filter off running on a beach. Seems they still exist. 

[Eddie]

I can't remember which group list shared this gem: A shop employee was greeted by a customer whose new bike had "just stopped" and he was quite angry. To the customer, the machine seemed to be "running hot". So, he "let some air in the engine." "How?", asked the service tech. They'd taken the oil drain bolt out to let the needed air inside. Geez. eddie

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] achesley43@... [DSN_KLR650] [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, February 14, 2015 8:53 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: We don't need no stinking air filter foam   In the early 90's I worked as service manager at a Kawasaki/Yamaha Dealership. I was amazed at the lack of maintenance on many machines that came in for repair. Even one kid that figured he'd get more hp by leaving the air filter off running on a beach. Seems they still exist. 

[achesley43@ymail.com]

It's amazing! Then, when you have a multi dealership ( PWCs and Lawnmowers ) You really meet the best ones with Water Crafts. After a bit over a year, I just had to go back offshore for my sanity. 

[Norm Keller]

#ygrps-yiv-1689642349 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-1689642349cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-1689642349 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-1689642349cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-1689642349 .ygrps-yiv-1689642349plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-1689642349 .ygrps-yiv-1689642349plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;} #ygrps-yiv-1689642349 a img {border:0px;}#ygrps-yiv-1689642349 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-1689642349 .ygrps-yiv-1689642349plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-1689642349 .ygrps-yiv-1689642349plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} These service counter anecdotes reveal much about the riding public but I'm willing to bet that others hold back stories even more "face palm" worthy than "letting air into the engine". IME, many of these stories simply cannot be related because people won't believe us. When ever I hear someone bashing a dealership or shop over stupidity or incompetence I have to bite my lip. I've been aware of both sides of many of these stories and usually it's the customer who deserves the face palm. Most often they have no idea at all as to what they are saying.   Honda ST & KLR groups seem to be by far the most sensible, IME, which is the reason I like to hang out there.   Watersports, don't even get me started and I'll bet that you have 100x the experience.   Boats aren't quite as silly, IME, but wow. We had one customer who ran his boat under the Lion's Gate bridge and hit a log which wiped both legs off the boat and did transom damage; repaired, took boat out again same way, same result; repeat the third time...."Why not slow down through there?" he was asked. "But that's the way I always go through that area.", was the response. Face palm....Oh, and the problem was that the legs being made today are cheap junk, just in case someone wasn't aware. He was a lawyer so knew lots about boats. Face palm....

[Norm Keller]

I'm hoping this won't come up dry as usually happens but here goes: there are some smart phone accelerometer aps available for free. I'm hoping that several people will download and do some panic braking in order to share the data. I asked on another group also but no dice as yet, excepting that one person observed that he questioned how valid would be the data, given different mounting, etc. So, there are two things: 1) Can anyone speak to the technical problems in using these aps on various phones to gather comparative data? 2) Will some of you please do some hard braking (hard as possible) from 45 mph to stopped and report the graphs? It would be most interesting and potentially useful if we had some average numbers with which to compare. When someone is questioning the effectiveness of their brakes, information as to braking performance could point to whether their brakes are typical or less effective. We plan to do a series of tests when Mike has time to bring his stock Gen1 and hope to have data for comparison as follows:  1) Stock Gen1 with standard pads. 2) Gen1 with 250 Ninja master cylinder 3) Gen1 with 320 EBC rotor and 250 Ninja master 4) Gen1 with 320 EBC rotor and stock master 5) Gen1 with Gen2 front rotor and SV650 caliper 6) Gen1 with Gen2 front rotor, SV650 caliper and 250 Ninja master (same as my bike) I would like to compare to a stock Gen2 and to try a Gen2 front caliper on the Gen1 but am dissuaded by the need to fabricate the adapter when will definitely not be running the Gen2 caliper. It would also be interesting to try the SV caliper with the 320 EBC rotor but, again, the adapter plate fabrication is too much for simple curiosity since won't be running that combination either. I do recall that some were running the SV+ 320 so maybe someone will offer data?

[Martin Earl]

Years ago,I flew (piloted) into an Indianapolis, IN airport and was standing in the pilot lounge admiring photo's of local airplanes; a kind of brag board.Turns out, this airport supported a company that specialized in preserving/restoring WWII war birds, specifically the P-51 Mustang.Some of the photo's were local airplanes, some airshow, AND some were featured wrecked airplanes.The photo's also indicate the date they are taken outside the restoration facility, plus a few extra, before and after photo's. Looking at photo exhibit #1 =pristine restored P51Mustang. Ohhhh, this is nice...oh, --now looking at photo exhibit #2. "What happened to this Mustang?" sort of looks just like 'photo#1 except for the bent prop, and lots of bent metal.cough.$600K rebuild and the owner would not take 'flying lessons' for something he did not have the experience to fly...'I paid for it, by gum, I will fly it.'Well, not very far...didn't get it very far... never got it off the ground.They were able to identify the (final) landing site, by the wreck and the smoking hole. Hire a crane, truck it back to the hanger, 'yeah, it can be rebuilt.'Well, we fast forward 2 years, and see another photo...#3 Same Mustang, new skin and prop; it is a beauty.~$600K later, same guy/owner, same runway...(wait for it)Photo #4..."What is this picture?"Same guy, same airplane...got just a little further down the runway before piling it up. The restoration company refused to do business with him a third time.and so it goes.m1.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:03 PM, 'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: These service counter anecdotes reveal much about the riding public but I'm willing to bet that others hold back stories even more "face palm" worthy than "letting air into the engine". IME, many of these stories simply cannot be related because people won't believe us. When ever I hear someone bashing a dealership or shop over stupidity or incompetence I have to bite my lip. I've been aware of both sides of many of these stories and usually it's the customer who deserves the face palm. Most often they have no idea at all as to what they are saying. Honda ST & KLR groups seem to be by far the most sensible, IME, which is the reason I like to hang out there. Watersports, don't even get me started and I'll bet that you have 100x the experience. Boats aren't quite as silly, IME, but wow. We had one customer who ran his boat under the Lion's Gate bridge and hit a log which wiped both legs off the boat and did transom damage; repaired, took boat out again same way, same result; repeat the third time...."Why not slow down through there?" he was asked. "But that's the way I always go through that area.", was the response. Face palm....Oh, and the problem was that the legs being made today are cheap junk, just in case someone wasn't aware. He was a lawyer so knew lots about boats. Face palm....