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[revmaaatin]

Found these two video for the adept fabricator: homemade sheet metal bender Homemade Bending Tool/sheet metal brake [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FUjHm3Sz5MdE%2Fhqdefault.jpg&t=1571809971&sig=uSWmAZGQwUFHePbN2ETtAw--~E[/img] Homemade Bending Tool/sheet metal brake This is a bending tool made at home with scrap steel, made for bending 3mm checker plate aluminium. See my you tube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...> View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/v/UjHm3Sz5MdE?ve ... autohide=1" class="ygrps-yiv-85040157link-enhancr-video-src ygrps-yiv-85040157link-enhancr-element"> Preview by Yahoo and this tutorial slide show KLR 650 BOX build [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FMsolclwtsVo%2Fhqdefault.jpg&t=1571809971&sig=XTRj0RucTc728PvHrzg2.A--~E[/img] KLR 650 BOX build A simple slideshow that shows how aluminum motorcycle boxes are built View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/v/MsolclwtsVo?ve ... autohide=1" class="ygrps-yiv-85040157link-enhancr-video-src ygrps-yiv-85040157link-enhancr-element"> Preview by Yahoo  

[DesertDatsuns]

Interesting. I actually have a sheet metal brake, *AND* a bunch of diamond plate! Looks like I'll be building myself a set of panniers soon! Why I never put two-and-two together before is beyond me. Works out great, as I've been wanting a set, but have never bought them due to the ridiculous prices. Ryan Newman "mjearl4@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  

Found these two video for the adept fabricator: homemade sheet metal bender Homemade Bending Tool/sheet metal brake [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FUjHm3Sz5MdE%2Fhqdefault.jpg&t=1571809977&sig=AY8Yz2YzgDJxRQil.uUSKA--~E[/img] Homemade Bending Tool/sheet metal brake This is a bending tool made at home with scrap steel, made for bending 3mm checker plate aluminium. See my you tube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...> View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/v/UjHm3Sz5MdE?ve ... autohide=1" class="ygrps-yiv-1033601287link-enhancr-video-src ygrps-yiv-1033601287link-enhancr-element"> Preview by Yahoo and this tutorial slide show KLR 650 BOX build [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FMsolclwtsVo%2Fhqdefault.jpg&t=1571809977&sig=FJo5hrsiulch_B_HGbLbRA--~E[/img] KLR 650 BOX build A simple slideshow that shows how aluminum motorcycle boxes are built View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/v/MsolclwtsVo?ve ... autohide=1" class="ygrps-yiv-1033601287link-enhancr-video-src ygrps-yiv-1033601287link-enhancr-element"> Preview by Yahoo  

[skypilot110]

I totaled a lid from my boxes and needed a replacement. After getting the replacement lid sorted I still needed the loops on top where the 1" Polyester straps go. I use them for strapping down dry bags, foam sleeping bag pads... If you are goign to build your own then you will need those Turns out they are called Footman Loops. You can get them lots of places, although my hardware store doesnt carry them, grrr, but I liked Strapworks the best. Order Straps, Buckles, Webbing, Tie-Downs | Strapworks.com [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.strapworks.com%2Fv%2Fvspfiles%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fb-barn-front-page-icon-215-x-70.jpg&t=1571809978&sig=9dQ13ulm8TfrMzFwGRMgOQ--~E[/img] Order Straps, Buckles, Webbing, Tie-Downs | Str... Film & TV Merchandise ATV & Motorsports Paddlesports & Rafting Pets & Farm Retail & Consumer Safety Hiking & Camping Tactical & Hunting Ocean ... View on www.strapworks.com Preview by Yahoo   The guy at SoloBox hooked me up with what Footman Loops are actually called. He was the guy making the boxes in the video. My boxes are almost identicle to those and they have served well for many hard years. I have had the bike sitting on them on 3 occasions to fix tires and strapped unbelievable amounts of stuff to the top. His boxes are still only $340 a pair and $555 with the racks. Thats a bargain, like the KLR, in my opinion, especially given what mine have gone through and shrugged off. For that price I am not sure I could justify building my own.S O L O B O X [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhprofile-ak-xpa1%2Fv%2Ft1.0-1%2Fc170.50.621.621%2Fs200x200%2F46296_432418286793241_279476540_n.jpg%3Foh%3D64125b63ee1dd38d3db88721dbb132e2%26amp%3Boe%3D5506D165%26amp%3B__gda__%3D1423109808_585545c890b85247299afe0c12b1b653&t=1571809978&sig=FfXOtPgqB3VDitRoGQ7JcQ--~E[/img] S O L O B O X SOLOBOX manufactures high quality adventure motorcycle luggage and racks. View on www.facebook.com Preview by Yahoo     

[Norm Keller]

Ryan, I recognize there is a professional satisfaction in making your own and that they will be superior to ammo boxes. That said, at $55.00 each for ammo boxes, how do you compare the effort and value? No argument, just an opportunity to hear the opinion of someone who knows the effort and cost involved in the materials, wire, power and time.

 

How many hours do you estimate and what do you estimate the cost?

 

Only way to put these things into context is to ask someone who knows.

[Desert Datsuns]

I have thought about the ammo boxes many, many, times over the years. The reason I keep deciding against it is weight. They aren't light, since they're made out of steel. Aluminum ones would be very light. You may only save 5-7 lbs, but when you're picking up a downed bike by sourself in the middle of nowhere, every pound counts. There were times when I crashed my old BMW, and just couldn't pick it up. With that said, there are a few aluminum army cans that would work, but they aren't cheap. The Night Vision cases being one of them. If I could find those at a reasonable price somewhere I'd buy them. Plus, the materials and skill for the aluminum panniers is free. It may take some time, but untimately I can build exactly what I want. May take some time since I really wrenched my back, but hopefully I'll get to it. I had soft sided Covercraft bags on my last KLR. Think hard case shape and design, but made of durable thick nylon weave. Super light. I loved them, but they aren't made anymore. I'd buy those again if I could find them. They don't get beat up if you crash. Ryan Newman Phoenix, AZ 'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:

> > > Ryan, I recognize there is a professional satisfaction in making your > own and that they will be superior to ammo boxes. That said, at $55.00 > each for ammo boxes, how do you compare the effort and value? No > argument, just an opportunity to hear the opinion of someone who knows > the effort and cost involved in the materials, wire, power and time. > > How many hours do you estimate and what do you estimate the cost? > > Only way to put these things into context is to ask someone who knows. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4189/8166 - Release Date: 12/02/14 >

[mark ward]

Unless you have ever been a DIY type person, you would not understand. ME? I can't understand,spending a weeks wages to JUST SIT at a COLD sports stadium & watch others have fun.(But knowing, big money sprts is more about the Money then fun makes it even harder.) My grand kids got me a new Air cut off tool, and of course I need a Box big enough to keep it and the accessories. Wally World, has a small tool box,  (10x5x5) Only $6. BUT INSTEAD, I plan on Building one with the help of my grand son, (10) and grand Daughter (7) to help paint it.Using scrap's I have, (& do to the EXTRA Help) It may take 10 - 20 hrs of Labor. (Them helping drawing out and Math included) I Still REMEMBER, Building My 1st tool box out of scrap at work during break times, 30 years ago. I don't remember Buying #2-15? They Must likely would not remember ever buying me the Tool, But once we Build the Box, They will remember it all, the rest of there lives, Like I remember I Uncle teaching me some carpenter tricks of the trade, 48+- years ago.    Mark (West Mich) On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 7:41 PM, "Desert Datsuns datsun@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  I have thought about the ammo boxes many, many, times over the years. The reason I keep deciding against it is weight. They aren't light, since they're made out of steel. Aluminum ones would be very light. You may only save 5-7 lbs, but when you're picking up a downed bike by sourself in the middle of nowhere, every pound counts. There were times when I crashed my old BMW, and just couldn't pick it up. With that said, there are a few aluminum army cans that would work, but they aren't cheap. The Night Vision cases being one of them. If I could find those at a reasonable price somewhere I'd buy them. Plus, the materials and skill for the aluminum panniers is free. It may take some time, but untimately I can build exactly what I want. May take some time since I really wrenched my back, but hopefully I'll get to it. I had soft sided Covercraft bags on my last KLR. Think hard case shape and design, but made of durable thick nylon weave. Super light. I loved them, but they aren't made anymore. I'd buy those again if I could find them. They don't get beat up if you crash. Ryan Newman Phoenix, AZ 'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote: > > > Ryan, I recognize there is a professional satisfaction in making your > own and that they will be superior to ammo boxes. That said, at $55.00 > each for ammo boxes, how do you compare the effort and value? No > argument, just an opportunity to hear the opinion of someone who knows > the effort and cost involved in the materials, wire, power and time. > > How many hours do you estimate and what do you estimate the cost? > > Only way to put these things into context is to ask someone who knows. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4189/8166 - Release Date: 12/02/14 > #ygrps-yiv-885811027 #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834 #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834 -- #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834ygrp-mkp { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} #ygrps-yiv-885811027 #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834 #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834ygrp-mkp hr { border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrps-yiv-885811027 #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834 #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834ygrp-mkp #ygrps-yiv-885811027yiv8710090834hd { 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[skypilot110]

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[Desert Datsuns]

Wow, those are actually very affordable. Hmmmm........ Ryan Newman Phoenix, AZ christopher.eckert@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:

> While we ar eon the topic, We have been here before so I have this drill > down now, there is one option that should be mentioned. The modern > plastic cases get better every year and I would probably choose them > over the aluminum if I didnt need the massive volume the aluminum boxes > bring or was concerned about the money. > > I am fond of top loaders like the Pelican 1430 since they can be > accessed even when the bike is layign on its side. I learned that while > my GS with Vario cases was laying on me one time. That said the 720s are > a good case too and are cheap and strong. I linked below both of these > below as well as Fuerte cases with whom I have done bussiness many > times. They have good prices and an amazing selection. > > Chris > > Fuerte Cases, The Waterproof Case Company. Protective Storage & > Shipping Cases http://www.fuertecases.com/> > > image http://www.fuertecases.com/> > > > Fuerte Cases, The Waterproof Case Company. Protective ... > http://www.fuertecases.com/> > Military Medical Industrial & Commercial Law Enforcement > > View on www.fuertecases.com http://www.fuertecases.com/> > > Preview by Yahoo > > > > > > Pelican 1430 Top Loader Case: Fuerte Cases > http://www.fuertecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PEL-1430&Category_Code=> > > Pelican 1430 Top Loader Case: Fuerte Cases > http://www.fuertecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PEL-1430&Category_Code=> > > Fuerte Cases - The Waterproof Case Company LLC > > View on www.fuertecases.com > http://www.fuertecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PEL-1430&Category_Code=> > > > Preview by Yahoo > > > > SE-720: Fuerte Cases > http://www.fuertecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SE-720&Category_Code=Large_Cases&Product_Count=4> > > image > http://www.fuertecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SE-720&Category_Code=Large_Cases&Product_Count=4> > > > > SE-720: Fuerte Cases > http://www.fuertecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SE-720&Category_Code=Large_Cases&Product_Count=4> > > Fuerte Cases - The Waterproof Case Company LLC > > View on www.fuertecases.com > http://www.fuertecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SE-720&Category_Code=Large_Cases&Product_Count=4> > > > Preview by Yahoo > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2249 / Virus Database: 4189/8172 - Release Date: 12/03/14 >

[Norm Keller]

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[Norm Keller]

Mark, I was hoping to learn more about your perspective regarding the build but the reply was a bonus! It would be difficult to balance the most perfect side boxes off the shelf against involving the grandchildren. Cool!

 

Daycare staff and other adults used to be brought up short by our younger son when he was a year or two of age. Early to walk and talk, he was also open to concepts which placed him ahead of the adults. One concept was that something needed to be fixed, rather than that it was broken. One can see how this radically changes one's view of the problem. The first presupposes a solution while the other is static. He was taught early to consider whether he was hurt or whether injured. "Hurt" was the bump to the knee and such which hurt but did not require treatment. At just over a year, he could discern from his experience and application of this differentiation. He could consider the pain and make the decision as to whether he thought it was serious, this irrespective of the fact that it hurt. If it required that it was serious/needed treatment then he could ask for help. If not, he had simply to wait until it stopped hurting. Once he accepted that a not serious hurt would stop hurting, the panic of "I hurt!" went away. I recall one of the daycare staff shaking her head over that one as she had asked if he wanted her to kiss his hurt, to have him reply in effect, "No, I have to wait for it to stop hurting." I doubt that the distinction had occurred to her.

 

Kids time and grandkids time is golden! There can be nothing better than helping them to grow.