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[Ateam Consulting]

Observed trials is the foundation of all motor sports.  The basic building blocks of a solid foundation in trials and all motor sports is this:

[*]Clutch control Throttle control Brake control Balance

Bernie Shribers Trials bible says that it only takes 7 years to develop adequate throttle control.  Clutch control; the more clutch actuation the better, it s part of the 4 basic building blocks.  Braking; the rear brake controls your speed the front brake stops you.  In road racing it s all backwards.  But the rear brake is always applied, the front brake is used to stop, to modulate to control traction and ,,,,,,, assist in balance.  Think of the car going down a hill.  At the bottom of the hill is a raised set of railroad tracks.  Then there is a incline, an uphill on the other side of the tracks.  Most people apply the brakes as the near the bottom of the hill.  Compressing the suspension so that the coffee cup hits the wind shield.  The crossing is rough at best.  A moto rider approaches the tracks, down shifts and applies a bit of front & rear brakes.  This loads the bike up or compresses the suspension.  As the front tire makes contact with the rise in the tracks the moto rider then releases the brakes and also unloads the body while crossing the tracks.  Allowing full range of suspension travel.  As the tracks are crossed (like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich) the incline is in front.  However your still going fast, you absorbed the bumps, you opened the knees, you allowed the bike to move under you while maintaining balance.  Then as you accelerate, your ass is down low you push down the pegs and twist the glorious throttle. then you allow the bike to catch up to your body and you allow the stallion to run under you while settling in with pressure and throttle; you look to where you want to go.  There is nothing in your mind but the field of vision, the crawling of time, the slow motion feel as you leave behind the noise, dust and ciaos.  The next rut, turn, rock approaches but quickly vanishes as the next obstacle requires your attention.  You are alive!   Balance is the true first building block in the foundation of life.  Balance your diet, your schedule, your commitments, your time, your check book.  Balance is everything on the bike.  If I had one tattoo it would simply be balance .  [u]I have so many scars I don t need no stinking tattoo; scars are like tattoo s but come with a better story.  [/u]   The 4 basic principals in moto sports is the above, balance, throttle, braking and clutch.  When all are applied together in harmony, in accord to balance; the Zen like state of synchronicity, the drummer in the band who has his eyes closed, the cadence while riding is achieved and time is stopped.  Oh such simple joy.  Moto Nirvana is when one is applying the 4 laws of moto riding.  The state in which enlightenment is yours.  Some say it s magic.  Some say it s a killer buzz.   Take your pig KLR out into a dirt lot.  Start riding circles, as tight as you can, bend the knee's, open the elbows, use your clutch and brakes, feel the rhythm and flow of the bike and the body.  Keep your chin up, look where you go not where you are.  Now do figure 8 s, around and around.  Relax your body, be a ballerina, be smooth, in your mind make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with your body and bike.  A peanut butter & jelly sandwich is a beautiful thing, it s so simple, so pure, it s a building block of childhood.  So is your riding.  One must always ride with a purpose, make all turns count, pressure, torsion, flexing, moving, flowing.  You want to blow away your 6th sense?  Go ride a circle in a parking lot blind folded.  Propreoseptic overload (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23073629).  Like walking blind in a dark room feeling for the light switch.  You know your close, your finger can feel it but yet to make contact.   You will be sore the next day, all in first gear.   I have had Multistrada s, 800 Tigers, Sport Bikes a and 1200 GSA chase me on my old KLR on a mountain twisty.  I apply part Mick Andrews, Kenny Roberts, Doug Demoko, Steve McQueen and Thierry Michaud in my riding kit.  They are amazed the KLR can do so well.  It s not the bike it s the rider.    The point is the about equipment: the bigger rotors, the Thermobob, the Rotella and the 680 bore kit, valves/engine, the foot pegs and the suspension, the exhaust and the risers; they all are part of your bag of tools.  But all the tools in real world do not make you a carpenter or a mechanic.  Rider skill overcomes all other obstacles.  The skill is one playing the piano or the sax and the drums, the instrument is just used as a tool.  The  KLR is our tool.   Final thought, go ride with practice in mind, look for nasty alleys or streams, dirt, rocks and sand, hill climbs and snow; challenge yourself outside the routine of riding. Then address the performance of the bike after you have mastered the 4 building blocks of motorcycle riding:  Brake, balance, clutch & throttle.  The Zen of riding.  And; whatever we do on our moto bike, understand that for me and maybe you that when I ride, even my demons are happy.   Happy Trails - Ateam

[Stephen Watson]

 Perfect info! I cant count how many times I Have tried to power my way through technical situations and physically  paid the price, when "finesse" is what was needed. Now when I ride, I try to be one with the bike. No dualism allowed!   Thanks for sharing this.     [b]From:[/b] "'Ateam Consulting' ateam@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Buddy Eckles ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:57 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Ateams 4 Building Blocks of Zen Riding   Observed trials is the foundation of all motor sports.  The basic building blocks of a solid foundation in trials and all motor sports is this: Clutch control Throttle control Brake control Balance Bernie Shribers Trials bible says that it only takes 7 years to develop adequate throttle control.  Clutch control; the more clutch actuation the better, it s part of the 4 basic building blocks.  Braking; the rear brake controls your speed the front brake stops you.  In road racing it s all backwards.  But the rear brake is always applied, the front brake is used to stop, to modulate to control traction and ,,,,,,, assist in balance.  Think of the car going down a hill.  At the bottom of the hill is a raised set of railroad tracks.  Then there is a incline, an uphill on the other side of the tracks.  Most people apply the brakes as the near the bottom of the hill.  Compressing the suspension so that the coffee cup hits the wind shield.  The crossing is rough at best.  A moto rider approaches the tracks, down shifts and applies a bit of front & rear brakes.  This loads the bike up or compresses the suspension.  As the front tire makes contact with the rise in the tracks the moto rider then releases the brakes and also unloads the body while crossing the tracks.  Allowing full range of suspension travel.  As the tracks are crossed (like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich) the incline is in front.  However your still going fast, you absorbed the bumps, you opened the knees, you allowed the bike to move under you while maintaining balance.  Then as you accelerate, your ass is down low you push down the pegs and twist the glorious throttle. then you allow the bike to catch up to your body and you allow the stallion to run under you while settling in with pressure and throttle; you look to where you want to go.  There is nothing in your mind but the field of vision, the crawling of time, the slow motion feel as you leave behind the noise, dust and ciaos.  The next rut, turn, rock approaches but quickly vanishes as the next obstacle requires your attention.  You are alive!   Balance is the true first building block in the foundation of life.  Balance your diet, your schedule, your commitments, your time, your check book.  Balance is everything on the bike.  If I had one tattoo it would simply be balance .  [u]I have so many scars I don t need no stinking tattoo; scars are like tattoo s but come with a better story.  [/u]   The 4 basic principals in moto sports is the above, balance, throttle, braking and clutch.  When all are applied together in harmony, in accord to balance; the Zen like state of synchronicity, the drummer in the band who has his eyes closed, the cadence while riding is achieved and time is stopped.  Oh such simple joy.  Moto Nirvana is when one is applying the 4 laws of moto riding.  The state in which enlightenment is yours.  Some say it s magic.  Some say it s a killer buzz.   Take your pig KLR out into a dirt lot.  Start riding circles, as tight as you can, bend the knee's, open the elbows, use your clutch and brakes, feel the rhythm and flow of the bike and the body.  Keep your chin up, look where you go not where you are.  Now do figure 8 s, around and around.  Relax your body, be a ballerina, be smooth, in your mind make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with your body and bike.  A peanut butter & jelly sandwich is a beautiful thing, it s so simple, so pure, it s a building block of childhood.  So is your riding.  One must always ride with a purpose, make all turns count, pressure, torsion, flexing, moving, flowing.  You want to blow away your 6th sense?  Go ride a circle in a parking lot blind folded.  Propreoseptic overload (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23073629).  Like walking blind in a dark room feeling for the light switch.  You know your close, your finger can feel it but yet to make contact.   You will be sore the next day, all in first gear.   I have had Multistrada s, 800 Tigers, Sport Bikes a and 1200 GSA chase me on my old KLR on a mountain twisty.  I apply part Mick Andrews, Kenny Roberts, Doug Demoko, Steve McQueen and Thierry Michaud in my riding kit.  They are amazed the KLR can do so well.  It s not the bike it s the rider.    The point is the about equipment: the bigger rotors, the Thermobob, the Rotella and the 680 bore kit, valves/engine, the foot pegs and the suspension, the exhaust and the risers; they all are part of your bag of tools.  But all the tools in real world do not make you a carpenter or a mechanic.  Rider skill overcomes all other obstacles.  The skill is one playing the piano or the sax and the drums, the instrument is just used as a tool.  The  KLR is our tool.   Final thought, go ride with practice in mind, look for nasty alleys or streams, dirt, rocks and sand, hill climbs and snow; challenge yourself outside the routine of riding. 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[mark ward]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. just taking it alllllll in. (NICE!) SCAR'S & Tattoo's Are like books.  Fiction. a little truth, and A-LOT OF, would-a, could-a, should-a, DREAMS & IDEAS. (Who We WANTED/WANT TO BE) Scar's, A-LOT OF SCIENCE, (Facts) With some Drama, to sell and Glamorize it. (Who We ARE) I always Love the scene in "Lethal weapon 3" when they compare Scar STORIES. (each HAS A LIFE'S STORY WITH IT.) Late Last fall, I SHAVED SMOOTH my Head, (until March) And my Grandchildren would stand there and ask, what about that one? Then find another and ask again. (a 3inch wide from  about 8yrs. & 4 & 6+ inch, from age 10+-yrs old, some smaller ones I forget the stories behind.)  On Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:03 AM, "Stephen Watson watsonsb@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   Perfect info! I cant count how many times I Have tried to power my way through technical situations and physically  paid the price, when "finesse" is what was needed. Now when I ride, I try to be one with the bike. No dualism allowed!   Thanks for sharing this.     [b]From:[/b] "'Ateam Consulting' ateam@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Buddy Eckles ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:57 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Ateams 4 Building Blocks of Zen Riding   Observed trials is the foundation of all motor sports.  The basic building blocks of a solid foundation in trials and all motor sports is this: Clutch control Throttle control Brake control Balance Bernie Shribers Trials bible says that it only takes 7 years to develop adequate throttle control.  Clutch control; the more clutch actuation the better, it s part of the 4 basic building blocks.  Braking; the rear brake controls your speed the front brake stops you.  In road racing it s all backwards.  But the rear brake is always applied, the front brake is used to stop, to modulate to control traction and ,,,,,,, assist in balance.  Think of the car going down a hill.  At the bottom of the hill is a raised set of railroad tracks.  Then there is a incline, an uphill on the other side of the tracks.  Most people apply the brakes as the near the bottom of the hill.  Compressing the suspension so that the coffee cup hits the wind shield.  The crossing is rough at best.  A moto rider approaches the tracks, down shifts and applies a bit of front & rear brakes.  This loads the bike up or compresses the suspension.  As the front tire makes contact with the rise in the tracks the moto rider then releases the brakes and also unloads the body while crossing the tracks.  Allowing full range of suspension travel.  As the tracks are crossed (like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich) the incline is in front.  However your still going fast, you absorbed the bumps, you opened the knees, you allowed the bike to move under you while maintaining balance.  Then as you accelerate, your ass is down low you push down the pegs and twist the glorious throttle. then you allow the bike to catch up to your body and you allow the stallion to run under you while settling in with pressure and throttle; you look to where you want to go.  There is nothing in your mind but the field of vision, the crawling of time, the slow motion feel as you leave behind the noise, dust and ciaos.  The next rut, turn, rock approaches but quickly vanishes as the next obstacle requires your attention.  You are alive!   Balance is the true first building block in the foundation of life.  Balance your diet, your schedule, your commitments, your time, your check book.  Balance is everything on the bike.  If I had one tattoo it would simply be balance .  [u]I have so many scars I don t need no stinking tattoo; scars are like tattoo s but come with a better story.  [/u]   The 4 basic principals in moto sports is the above, balance, throttle, braking and clutch.  When all are applied together in harmony, in accord to balance; the Zen like state of synchronicity, the drummer in the band who has his eyes closed, the cadence while riding is achieved and time is stopped.  Oh such simple joy.  Moto Nirvana is when one is applying the 4 laws of moto riding.  The state in which enlightenment is yours.  Some say it s magic.  Some say it s a killer buzz.   Take your pig KLR out into a dirt lot.  Start riding circles, as tight as you can, bend the knee's, open the elbows, use your clutch and brakes, feel the rhythm and flow of the bike and the body.  Keep your chin up, look where you go not where you are.  Now do figure 8 s, around and around.  Relax your body, be a ballerina, be smooth, in your mind make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with your body and bike.  A peanut butter & jelly sandwich is a beautiful thing, it s so simple, so pure, it s a building block of childhood.  So is your riding.  One must always ride with a purpose, make all turns count, pressure, torsion, flexing, moving, flowing.  You want to blow away your 6th sense?  Go ride a circle in a parking lot blind folded.  Propreoseptic overload (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23073629).  Like walking blind in a dark room feeling for the light switch.  You know your close, your finger can feel it but yet to make contact.   You will be sore the next day, all in first gear.   I have had Multistrada s, 800 Tigers, Sport Bikes a and 1200 GSA chase me on my old KLR on a mountain twisty.  I apply part Mick Andrews, Kenny Roberts, Doug Demoko, Steve McQueen and Thierry Michaud in my riding kit.  They are amazed the KLR can do so well.  It s not the bike it s the rider.    The point is the about equipment: the bigger rotors, the Thermobob, the Rotella and the 680 bore kit, valves/engine, the foot pegs and the suspension, the exhaust and the risers; they all are part of your bag of tools.  But all the tools in real world do not make you a carpenter or a mechanic.  Rider skill overcomes all other obstacles.  The skill is one playing the piano or the sax and the drums, the instrument is just used as a tool.  The  KLR is our tool.   Final thought, go ride with practice in mind, look for nasty alleys or streams, dirt, rocks and sand, hill climbs and snow; challenge yourself outside the routine of riding. 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[ron criswell]

Once when in Moab riding KLR's, a fellow rider brought his brother....who had one of those trick....I think 650 KTM's with the big plastic tank....who knew nothing about riding dirt. He would freak and fall down on downhill dirk roads. His brother would tell him to pull the clutch in and hit the brakes at the bottom along with releasing the clutch. Bloody knee's resulted (heh). I would have suggested use engine braking and be light on the brakes going down, but didn't want to get in the middle of a brother debate as I also have a brother...and we rarely speak, brothers being brothers (heh). A trick KTM was up for sale afterwards. A good rule of riding is not to panic in pucker moments. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Nov 30, 2014, at 5:03 AM, "Stephen Watson watsonsb@... [DSN_KLR650]"DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   Perfect info! I cant count how many times I Have tried to power my way through technical situations and physically  paid the price, when "finesse" is what was needed. Now when I ride, I try to be one with the bike. No dualism allowed!   Thanks for sharing this.     [b]From:[/b] "'Ateam Consulting' ateam@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Buddy Eckles ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, November 29, 2014 10:57 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Ateams 4 Building Blocks of Zen Riding   Observed trials is the foundation of all motor sports.  The basic building blocks of a solid foundation in trials and all motor sports is this: Clutch control Throttle control Brake control Balance Bernie Shribers Trials bible says that it only takes 7 years to develop adequate throttle control.  Clutch control; the more clutch actuation the better, it s part of the 4 basic building blocks.  Braking; the rear brake controls your speed the front brake stops you.  In road racing it s all backwards.  But the rear brake is always applied, the front brake is used to stop, to modulate to control traction and ,,,,,,, assist in balance.  Think of the car going down a hill.  At the bottom of the hill is a raised set of railroad tracks.  Then there is a incline, an uphill on the other side of the tracks.  Most people apply the brakes as the near the bottom of the hill.  Compressing the suspension so that the coffee cup hits the wind shield.  The crossing is rough at best.  A moto rider approaches the tracks, down shifts and applies a bit of front & rear brakes.  This loads the bike up or compresses the suspension.  As the front tire makes contact with the rise in the tracks the moto rider then releases the brakes and also unloads the body while crossing the tracks.  Allowing full range of suspension travel.  As the tracks are crossed (like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich) the incline is in front.  However your still going fast, you absorbed the bumps, you opened the knees, you allowed the bike to move under you while maintaining balance.  Then as you accelerate, your ass is down low you push down the pegs and twist the glorious throttle. then you allow the bike to catch up to your body and you allow the stallion to run under you while settling in with pressure and throttle; you look to where you want to go.  There is nothing in your mind but the field of vision, the crawling of time, the slow motion feel as you leave behind the noise, dust and ciaos.  The next rut, turn, rock approaches but quickly vanishes as the next obstacle requires your attention.  You are alive!   Balance is the true first building block in the foundation of life.  Balance your diet, your schedule, your commitments, your time, your check book.  Balance is everything on the bike.  If I had one tattoo it would simply be balance .  [u]I have so many scars I don t need no stinking tattoo; scars are like tattoo s but come with a better story.  [/u]   The 4 basic principals in moto sports is the above, balance, throttle, braking and clutch.  When all are applied together in harmony, in accord to balance; the Zen like state of synchronicity, the drummer in the band who has his eyes closed, the cadence while riding is achieved and time is stopped.  Oh such simple joy.  Moto Nirvana is when one is applying the 4 laws of moto riding.  The state in which enlightenment is yours.  Some say it s magic.  Some say it s a killer buzz.   Take your pig KLR out into a dirt lot.  Start riding circles, as tight as you can, bend the knee's, open the elbows, use your clutch and brakes, feel the rhythm and flow of the bike and the body.  Keep your chin up, look where you go not where you are.  Now do figure 8 s, around and around.  Relax your body, be a ballerina, be smooth, in your mind make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with your body and bike.  A peanut butter & jelly sandwich is a beautiful thing, it s so simple, so pure, it s a building block of childhood.  So is your riding.  One must always ride with a purpose, make all turns count, pressure, torsion, flexing, moving, flowing.  You want to blow away your 6th sense?  Go ride a circle in a parking lot blind folded.  Propreoseptic overload (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23073629).  Like walking blind in a dark room feeling for the light switch.  You know your close, your finger can feel it but yet to make contact.   You will be sore the next day, all in first gear.   I have had Multistrada s, 800 Tigers, Sport Bikes a and 1200 GSA chase me on my old KLR on a mountain twisty.  I apply part Mick Andrews, Kenny Roberts, Doug Demoko, Steve McQueen and Thierry Michaud in my riding kit.  They are amazed the KLR can do so well.  It s not the bike it s the rider.    The point is the about equipment: the bigger rotors, the Thermobob, the Rotella and the 680 bore kit, valves/engine, the foot pegs and the suspension, the exhaust and the risers; they all are part of your bag of tools.  But all the tools in real world do not make you a carpenter or a mechanic.  Rider skill overcomes all other obstacles.  The skill is one playing the piano or the sax and the drums, the instrument is just used as a tool.  The  KLR is our tool.   Final thought, go ride with practice in mind, look for nasty alleys or streams, dirt, rocks and sand, hill climbs and snow; challenge yourself outside the routine of riding. Then address the performance of the bike after you have mastered the 4 building blocks of motorcycle riding:  Brake, balance, clutch & throttle.  The Zen of riding.  And; whatever we do on our moto bike, understand that for me and maybe you that when I ride, even my demons are happy.   Happy Trails - Ateam

[mark ward]

There have been threads on making 1 pair Underwear, last up to a  week. (turning inside out & backwords etc.) Toss them in the Soap Bucket they may last a whole month, without STINKING. (to bad) On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:05 PM, "'eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Check a local laundromat. They use bulk, powdered soap that comes in those things and the empties might even be free! The side benefit of everything you haul in them smelling "springtime fresh" could be a bonus, too. LOL eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: mark ward nomad59@... [DSN_KLR650] To: List KLR Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:25 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] HMMMM? KLRISTA CHEAP Seen a guy using Square 5 Gallon Plastic Buckets (removable) instead of Pelican cases etc etc on the rear. Water proof, Top loading, CHEAP!!!! CREATIVE!