electric output?

[mark ward]

WELLLLLLL Norm Your looooooooong winded "speech". Taught me a few extra things, I didn't,......... even know to ask. I thing I love about my klr (07) is how easy it is to Bump Start, if, (WHEN, X-10. LOL) I live the key on while talking to someone etc etc etc etc. (deep breath) ETC. LOL Thanks Mark (W. Mich.)    On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:19 PM, "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  The ignition is different as the Gen2 is coil & battery while Gen1 uses a dedicated charge coil in the stator for generating power for the CDI box.   This is often referred as "magneto type" ignition because the ignition has its own separate system.   In order to convert a Gen1 to a Gen2 stator, the ignition would have to be converted to some other power source or change the CDI box to one which can be powered from a "12 volt" DC system. IMO, this would be an undesirable conversion because the Gen1 has the ability to bump start and run without the "12 volt" system. It is much easier to bump start a Gen1 with dead battery, for example, because the Gen1 develops sufficient ignition charge power at quite low RPM.   Gen2 with dead battery must turn the alternator at sufficient RPM to raise charging system (battery) voltage sufficiently to power the CDI to create a spark. The problem with this is that the battery's load, combined with that of lights and other components must be powered by sufficient alternator output.   I have also been given to understand that the Gen2 must reach higher RPM than Gen1 in order to produce a trigger signal needed for the CDI to fire the coil. This will increase the difficulty in bump starting.   Converting for some of us might include introducing a power converter in order power a Gen1 CDI from a "12 volt" system. For most people doing a conversion, converting to Gen2 stator would require replacing CDI box and (I think) ignition coil. The wiring also would require modification to accommodate wiring plugs and that the powering/stopping of the Gen1 and Gen2 ignitions require different strategies.   IMO, one would be better to convert to an after market stator intended for Gen1. FWIW, one should also consider that there are at least two higher output aftermarket stators available. Anyone who has wound generating coils will appreciate that more output current will require larger diameter wire while more (higher) output voltage will require more turns of wire. While we are stuck with the standard voltage range, the principle that increasing the output Wattage, requires more wire in the stator. There isn't room to add much more wire so in order to increase output, larger wire is used. Unfortunately, this means that the alternator will reach sufficient voltage to begin charging at a higher RPM than before. If one consults the output graph of the higher output Gen1 stators, one will see that these are not a good choice for lower RPM riding such as trail work or stop and go city.   Sorry to be long winded but wasn't certain of the context in which you asked the question so tried to cover bases.  

[Paul Whatley]

First attempt at non-KLR post. Is this how it's done? For whatever reason I Just didn't like the roundish little scooter cases and prefer the more rugged Pelican style cases..... and I couldn't find detachable mounts for generic cases. Plus if I ever need to carry a TV I'll be set...... Paul Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2014, at 3:05 PM, "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Keep in mind always that I like to kid around with people I like and respect; that I'm quite cheap; and love innovative approaches. Those principles may keep me from ruffling feathers.   There's nothing much more enjoyable than seeing a solution which comes completely out of left field and is vastly superior to one's own, IMO.   ------ Original Message ------ From: "mark ward" To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; "Norm Keller" Sent: 2014-11-21 11:12:10 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Elephant Top Case   On the one side of the plates, are the "V" shaped tabs. thinking about that area. Will know better when I get a set of plates to "PLAY" with. On Friday, November 21, 2014 1:49 PM, "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   I'm following this thread as securing various luggage is always of interest because of the innovation people offer. Just thought it was too much on topic for my disruptive personality.