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Eddie
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[bulk] [bulk] [dsn_klr650] answer: corroded battery conn

Post by Eddie » Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:42 pm

The penny will corrode before the battery terminal. http://blog.nwautos.com/2010/09/was_the_old_penny_trick_with_the_car_battery_just_a_dream.html I can only surmise this works with regualr batteries and not sealed units. =) eddie PS: More> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_anode
----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] mjearl4@... [DSN_KLR650] [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; edgyver40@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, September 08, 2014 8:22 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Answer: corroded battery connections   SNIP He also was a fan of gluing a penny in the center of the battery top to act as a sacrificial anode. unsnip (unbelieving)   Just how does that work? m1 On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM, 'eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] I have a factory trained mechanic buddy that would lightly spray conventional chain lube on the battery terminals of bikes he worked on. He also was a fan of gluing a penny in the center of the battery top to act as a sacrificial anode. Just some ideas. =) eddie ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] nomad59@...+[DSN_KLR650] [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; 0404toward@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, September 08, 2014 4:16 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [Bulk] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Answer: corroded battery connections  

BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to protect between the contacting areas. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:38 AM, "Chris 0404toward@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Answer: corroded battery connections Question: what can: 1. Cause a funny popping noise when pressing the starter button. 2. Cause complete electrical outage for a few minutes. 3. After a few minutes, appear normal until you press the starter button again. 4. Appear perfectly fine, but be corroded on the hidden electrical contact surfaces. All cleaned up now. Wondering if I should coat with dieletric grease _before_ assembly, to keep down the corrosion. ( I can coat with dielectric grease _after_ assembly, but it doesn't seem as effective). What do others do? thanks, Chris


Jeff Saline
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Post by Jeff Saline » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:22 pm

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[bulk] [bulk] [dsn_klr650] answer: corroded battery conn

Post by Martin Earl » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:49 pm

Galvanic annodes:Seems to me they are use often on outboard motors, (sea water? usually?) I would think it has to do with escaping h2so4 (is that right, grin) sulfuric acid 'gas/fumes' attaching to the penny, rather than the battery post. Is that what you are thinking?m1. who is freaking scary! it is h2so4.!Haven't thought of that since 1970 chemistry
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:39 PM, eddie wrote: [u][/u] The penny will corrode before the battery terminal. http://blog.nwautos.com/2010/09/was_the_old_penny_trick_with_the_car_battery_just_a_dream.html I can only surmise this works with regualr batteries and not sealed units. =) eddie PS: More> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_anode ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] mjearl4@...+[DSN_KLR650] [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; edgyver40@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, September 08, 2014 8:22 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Answer: corroded battery connections SNIP He also was a fan of gluing a penny in the center of the battery top to act as a sacrificial anode. unsnip (unbelieving) Just how does that work? m1 On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:54 PM, 'eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] I have a factory trained mechanic buddy that would lightly spray conventional chain lube on the battery terminals of bikes he worked on. He also was a fan of gluing a penny in the center of the battery top to act as a sacrificial anode. Just some ideas. =) eddie ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] nomad59@...+[DSN_KLR650] [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; 0404toward@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, September 08, 2014 4:16 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [Bulk] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Answer: corroded battery connections

BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to protect between the contacting areas. On Monday, September 8, 2014 11:38 AM, "Chris 0404toward@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Answer: corroded battery connections Question: what can: 1. Cause a funny popping noise when pressing the starter button. 2. Cause complete electrical outage for a few minutes. 3. After a few minutes, appear normal until you press the starter button again. 4. Appear perfectly fine, but be corroded on the hidden electrical contact surfaces. All cleaned up now. Wondering if I should coat with dieletric grease _before_ assembly, to keep down the corrosion. ( I can coat with dielectric grease _after_ assembly, but it doesn't seem as effective). What do others do? thanks, Chris


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Post by Eddie » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:26 pm

I love it when I remember stuff and then can't remember why not during a test on the subject. =) Back to batteries: For grins, take a volt meter and ground it at the (-) post then touch it on the top of the battery between the (-) and (+) terminal in several places. Watch the meter register! -eddie
----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] mjearl4@... [b]To:[/b] edgyver40@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, September 08, 2014 9:49 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Answer: corroded battery connections Galvanic annodes: Seems to me they are use often on outboard motors, (sea water? usually?) I would think it has to do with escaping h2so4 (is that right, grin) sulfuric acid 'gas/fumes' attaching to the penny, rather than the battery post.  Is that what you are thinking? m1.  who is freaking scary! it is h2so4.! Haven't thought of that since 1970 chemistry

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[bulk] [bulk] [dsn_klr650] answer: corroded battery conn

Post by mark ward » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:49 am

Most Water heaters and Boilers use a Magnesium anode rod, (Can buy at HD or any hardware)  Well, as long as the Penny last, you will not be a,........ "Poor and Penniless soul".  LOL On Monday, September 8, 2014 10:26 PM, "'eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  I love it when I remember stuff and then can't remember why not during a test on the subject. =) Back to batteries: For grins, take a volt meter and ground it at the (-) post then touch it on the top of the battery between the (-) and (+) terminal in several places. Watch the meter register! -eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: mjearl4@... To: edgyver40@... Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Answer: corroded battery connections Galvanic annodes: Seems to me they are use often on outboard motors, (sea water? usually?) I would think it has to do with escaping h2so4 (is that right, grin) sulfuric acid 'gas/fumes' attaching to the penny, rather than the battery post.  Is that what you are thinking? m1.  who is freaking scary! it is h2so4.! Haven't thought of that since 1970 chemistry
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