Very important lesson to be learned that your motor oil is your life blood of your engine. Without oil, a low level or dirty oil, most engines end up a steaming pile of rubbish. Never trust a seller to give you the complete truth about an unknown vehicle. Taking a vehicle to a trusted mechanic to have checked out will help find most problems but not usually all. If a deal sounds too good to be true, it usually is. You could always part out this bike and probably make money on the deal, saving all your farkles for another better KLR. Sell your frame to the guy on our list wanting to install the Ninja engine. Problem solved!
Fred
http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
[b]From:[/b] dominick.martin25@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 4, 2014 7:03 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ;
dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] CAMSHAFT WOES/HOTCAMS Gents,
Thanks for the OUTSTANDING responses. It sounds like I need to start shopping for a used engine! Or at the very least a used head.
Honestly, if this bike didn't have 3K+ in gadgets and upgrades... I'd be half tempted to sell it and start from scratch... But that's what I get for being a novice/first time motorcycle buyer and trusting people! ....and to think the reason I bought a KLR was because of the rave reviews they get for being so tough and durable... and I find the one that has an engine that is beat to "poop"...
Well, I knew my engine was beat up before I tried my first valve adjustment a month ago, which has spiraled out of control into new camshafts, which is now turning into a potential new engine... LOL FML... If this keeps up, maybe in a couple years from now, I won't have to call myself an "amateur mechanic" anymore... jk
Thanks again!!! I hope your all enjoying the nice spring riding weather!
All the best, Dominick On Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:16 PM, Fred Hink wrote:
The cam caps are line bored or mated to the matching surfaces on the head and are not sold separately. If you found a worn out head that had good cam caps, you could have it line bored again and it might work but would be pretty expensive. It would surely be better replacing it with new and it may even be less expensive in the long run. If your engine was run low on oil to ruin the cams and cam bearings, what other damages do you suppose may be lurking in the rest of your motor? A good used engine could be found for around $400 to $500. I m sure you are going to have more in the new cams and gaskets, labor etc than that. Fred
http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
[b]From:[/b] dominick.martin25@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:02 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ;
dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] New Rider- my girls ..... & FEAR IS REAL Hi all, I'm an amateur mechanic who is trying to replace his stock (extremely worn/shot)cam-shafts, with hotcams on a 2009 KLR I bought that was run really hard with low oil levels. I apologize if this has already been brought up in this forum.... Two questions: 1. Has anyone put hotcams in their klr650, if so, would you be willing to answer a couple questions? I'm having a hard time finding any info on the internet...
2. The 4 brackets that sit on top of the camshafts were worn as well, but the local kawi dealer wants to sell me a new head for $800+. I only need the 4 brackets though... any suggestions, or does anyone have decent used ones? Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and reply!\ Feel free to reply directly to Dominick.Martin25@... All the best, Dominick Martin On Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:15 PM, Ron Criswell wrote:
I had a friend that roadaced and flat track raced a bunch and almost got his expert tag. Scared to death of water. Wouldn't go near it. Bikes don't scare me usually. Heights do....like hiking the rim in Grand Canyon.
Criswell
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On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:38 AM, mark ward wrote:
The old saying is...... Fear is real, even if the reason for the fear is not real. (and sometimes the reverse is just as true. LOL) I have worked on 220volts 3phase equipment, while kneeling in 1/2 inch of water, in a VERY STEAMY room. (Dish washing/ boiler equipment). and at times 440. No strong fears, as long as those working there STAY AWAY. Yet deeper sand & mud while riding makes NERVIOUS! I have A friend that AVOIDS riding during & after dusk, yet NOTHING else on a bike seams to phase him. Another friend, the TOUGH AS NAILS, Hockey player type, that everyone thinks HAS NO FEAR AT ALL, I learned, is SCARED TO DEATH of small birds. the smaller the worse. (I have protected this secret for him for years) My Point, WE ALL HAVE OUR "THING", and should respect it, for if you push it to hard for others, you will GET HURT. I'm not saying give into "IT", I'm saying Respect your fears and others. We have all talked about it being UN-SAFE, to ride while cold, because we get distracted by the discomfort, just imagine trying to stay focused while riding when all you SEE in your head, is the ER or MORGUE. Tell me you think something is boring, I may try to get you to try it out, tell me you have have a fear, I BACK WAY DOWN, out of respect. Yet if you still want to try, I will work SLOOOOWLY with you. [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert
[b]To:[/b] Fred Hink ; Tim Pruitt ; Michael Dennis Van Horn ;
dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com
[b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:58 AM
[b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] New Rider- my girls getting her license!
My son treats my bike as if it's radioactive. "Wanna go for a ride?" Backs up. "No way!" Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/3/2014 4:52 AM, Fred Hink wrote: The old adage about you can lead a horse to water but you can t make him drink, is also true concerning new riders and riding motorcycles. My good friend Peggy would ride on the back of my dirt and street bikes just about any place I rode. She was a real trooper and I don t know how I never lost her off the back of my bikes sometimes. It came a time that I felt she should be riding her own bike and experiencing the joys of controlling her own iron horse. She was willing to give it a go and we discussed all her options. We ended up getting her a Yamaha TW200 as her first bike. This is a great learner machine and even has potential for intermediate type of riding. Heck I even had fun riding that little bike. Peggy took the MSF classes and got her motorcycle endorsement. I got her all the right safety gear and I felt she was set for a long happy career as a motorcycle owner. Peggy seemed to enjoy riding her TW locally but never really got it out on the trails we have here. She would have trouble getting it started some times and usually I magically could get it to go pretty easily. She just never really trusted herself on that bike and I found out later it was mostly because of the manual clutch and transmission. So eventually the little Yamaha ended up setting and we sold it. She still had a desire after a few years to ride and after more discussion decided that what she really wanted to do was local street riding only. I did some research and decided that her next perfect bike would be a Honda SH150i scooter. This is a great machine. It is a 150cc four stroke single with fuel injection, auto trans and clutch with larger 16 tires. It handles easily, very reliable, is able to go highway speeds (65mph) and gets great gas mileage (100mpg). She uses this machine to go to work with most all year round and to visit friends and do some shopping. We have modified this scooter slightly with a windshield, a rear Givi box and a Stebel air horn. I think she has found a bike she can live with. Peggy was in her 50s when she took up the two wheel life and as hard as we want someone to have the love we share, it most likely isn t going to happen. I think the younger you can expose someone to motorbikes, the better chance that having this get into their blood is going to happen. I was about three or four when I had my first experiences and it has been with me most everyday since.
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/images/Dad__Fred_on_scooter.jpg Peggy Scootin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp-A3hKbJXA We should all give anyone interested a chance at riding a motorbike. It is a great life but not necessarily for everyone. Fred
http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com/ [b]From:[/b] tenntimtwo@... [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:21 PM [b]To:[/b] libertyeagle@... ;
dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] New Rider- my girls getting her license! Congrats. I know the feelings you are having. My youngest told me she wanted to start riding a few years, and I was thrilled. She wanted a 250 ninja but as a starter bike I found her a GS450E Suzuki for her. It was as low as the ninja, in truth probably a fair bit less horsepower, but the 450 kinda worried her at first (to her it seemed "bigger"). I loved it. I'm a big guy and I rode it sometimes when she was learning and I thought it was a hoot to ride...oh wait, that's another story, this was about her. Anyway, she did the MFS class, passed, we went down and got her license, and she was set. She got it out, rode to school a couple of times, went to visit her friends once, came home told me she starting to like the twisties, and suddenly stopped riding. I was sad, but at least she took a shot. I'm still not sure what happened and I really don't think she scared her self, but who knows.
It did break my heart though when she up and sold the little bike. It gave me a whole new respect and admiration for vertical twins. Wow, drop that thing into a corner and back off the throttle...nothing matches the throttle burble of a twin.Ummmmm good! On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:01 PM, Michael Dennis Van Horn libertyeagle@... wrote:
Well, getting someone else on two wheels and a dual sport no less. She is taking the MSF course this week for her license and we are picking up a 2001 BMW 650 Dakar for her tomorrow.
She loves the wrenching I do on my KLR it is just a bit too tall for her and is really learning... looking forward to seeing her in the wind.
Just think it is cool someone new getting into the sport.
Michael
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