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RobertWichert
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Post by RobertWichert » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:08 pm

OK, so I have never done the doohickey. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. But I am trying to atone for my sins. So my bike started to vibrate more than I was used to and I started to worry. I loosened up the doohickey holder bolt and I think it helped, but not much. Then I started taking things apart. I took out the cam chain tensioner and it was not at the limit of extension so I felt good about that. I pulled it all the way in, and then when I put the spring on, I heard it clickety clack out so I know it is at least working. I then decided to take off the side cover and take a look. I was a little surprised to see so much oil in there, but what the hell. I could barely see the doohickey but I loosened up the holder bolt and tried to move the doohickey and it moved pretty easy, both ways. It occurs to me that maybe the spring is broken, but I can't see it since I haven't taken off the flywheel/rotor. I plan to do that but I may put it back together before I do that since I don't have the wrench and bolt yet. So now for the questions... Does the fact that the doohickey moves easy, both ways, indicate that the spring is broken? Should I move it by hand clockwise, like the spring would do? Is it ridiculous to ride it like this? -- Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

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Post by Jeff Saline » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:52 pm

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:08:25 -0700 RobertWichert writes:
> OK, so I have never done the doohickey.
SNIP SNIP SNIP
> So now for the questions... > > Does the fact that the doohickey moves easy, both ways, indicate > that > the spring is broken? > > Should I move it by hand clockwise, like the spring would do? > > Is it ridiculous to ride it like this? > > > -- > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068
<><><><><> <><><><><> Robert, It sounds from your description that the doo tensioning spring is broken. You could try to tension manually by moving clockwise (with some pressure) and tightening the doo adjusting bolt. But how much is enough and how much is too much??? To me it seems ridiculous to even consider starting the engine with a known issue. Until you take it apart and discover exactly what is broken and at least try to recover broken parts you have a potential time bomb. Having it go off while parked would be bad. Having it go off while riding it could be deadly. You might never find all the pieces but it could cause issues if a broken spring end gets into a bearing or other important part. My suggestion is to order an EagleMike doo and torsion spring and only use an EagleMike rotor puller. The rotor holder could be made or maybe borrowed and the puller could be borrowed too, possibly. You are almost 1/2 way to having the doo and spring replaced. Why wouldn't you do it right now??? Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . ____________________________________________________________ Stand With Our President Show your support for raising the minimum wage. Sign the petition! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520ec90c54cb7490c2417st03vuc

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Post by RobertWichert » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:38 am

Yeah, OK, I thought so, Jeff. I already ordered everything. I tried to get the "puller" (I think it's really a pusher) from the dealer. They want $105 for it! Ripoff! They had some "generics" in the store, but I just ordered it from Fred along with the doo and a new spring. I'm not going with the torsion spring, but I am considering having the spring shot peened. Here's why: http://apm.iitm.ac.in/smlab/mss/download/59.pdf I'm pretty sad about not being able to ride the bike. It is my primary transportation and I don't like having it offline. Oh well. Thanks for the sermon. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 8/16/2013 5:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:08:25 -0700 RobertWichert > writes: >> OK, so I have never done the doohickey. > SNIP SNIP SNIP > >> So now for the questions... >> >> Does the fact that the doohickey moves easy, both ways, indicate >> that >> the spring is broken? >> >> Should I move it by hand clockwise, like the spring would do? >> >> Is it ridiculous to ride it like this? >> >> >> -- >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C >> +1 916 966 9060 >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 > <><><><><> > <><><><><> > > Robert, > > It sounds from your description that the doo tensioning spring is broken. > > You could try to tension manually by moving clockwise (with some > pressure) and tightening the doo adjusting bolt. But how much is enough > and how much is too much??? > > To me it seems ridiculous to even consider starting the engine with a > known issue. Until you take it apart and discover exactly what is broken > and at least try to recover broken parts you have a potential time bomb. > Having it go off while parked would be bad. Having it go off while > riding it could be deadly. You might never find all the pieces but it > could cause issues if a broken spring end gets into a bearing or other > important part. > > My suggestion is to order an EagleMike doo and torsion spring and only > use an EagleMike rotor puller. The rotor holder could be made or maybe > borrowed and the puller could be borrowed too, possibly. > > You are almost 1/2 way to having the doo and spring replaced. Why > wouldn't you do it right now??? > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > > ____________________________________________________________ > Stand With Our President > Show your support for raising the minimum wage. Sign the petition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520ec90c54030490c2416st03vuc > > >

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Post by Fred Hink » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:53 am

Thanks Robert, It does sound like your spring is broken. I wouldn t operate your engine until you have your counter balancer chain tensioned. If you are needing to run your bike before we get you the parts to fix this problem, you could try tensioning the lever with light to moderate finger pressure and tighten the bolt. This would be much better than running the engine while it was loose. You should have your parts on Tuesday. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:38 AM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Doohickey Story - Long Yeah, OK, I thought so, Jeff. I already ordered everything. I tried to get the "puller" (I think it's really a pusher) from the dealer. They want $105 for it! Ripoff! They had some "generics" in the store, but I just ordered it from Fred along with the doo and a new spring. I'm not going with the torsion spring, but I am considering having the spring shot peened. Here's why: http://apm.iitm.ac.in/smlab/mss/download/59.pdf I'm pretty sad about not being able to ride the bike. It is my primary transportation and I don't like having it offline. Oh well. Thanks for the sermon. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 8/16/2013 5:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:08:25 -0700 RobertWichert > writes: >> OK, so I have never done the doohickey. > SNIP SNIP SNIP > >> So now for the questions... >> >> Does the fact that the doohickey moves easy, both ways, indicate >> that >> the spring is broken? >> >> Should I move it by hand clockwise, like the spring would do? >> >> Is it ridiculous to ride it like this? >> >> >> -- >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C >> +1 916 966 9060 >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 > <><><><><> > <><><><><> > > Robert, > > It sounds from your description that the doo tensioning spring is broken. > > You could try to tension manually by moving clockwise (with some > pressure) and tightening the doo adjusting bolt. But how much is enough > and how much is too much??? > > To me it seems ridiculous to even consider starting the engine with a > known issue. Until you take it apart and discover exactly what is broken > and at least try to recover broken parts you have a potential time bomb. > Having it go off while parked would be bad. Having it go off while > riding it could be deadly. You might never find all the pieces but it > could cause issues if a broken spring end gets into a bearing or other > important part. > > My suggestion is to order an EagleMike doo and torsion spring and only > use an EagleMike rotor puller. The rotor holder could be made or maybe > borrowed and the puller could be borrowed too, possibly. > > You are almost 1/2 way to having the doo and spring replaced. Why > wouldn't you do it right now??? > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > > __________________________________________________________ > Stand With Our President > Show your support for raising the minimum wage. Sign the petition! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520ec90c54030490c2416st03vuc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by RobertWichert » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:01 am

Thanks Fred, I bought the "magneto holding tool" (wrench) from the local dealer. I'm an idiot. Could you get the wrench out today if I order it from you? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 8/17/2013 8:53 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > > Thanks Robert, > > It does sound like your spring is broken. I wouldn t operate your > engine until you have your counter balancer chain tensioned. If you > are needing to run your bike before we get you the parts to fix this > problem, you could try tensioning the lever with light to moderate > finger pressure and tighten the bolt. This would be much better than > running the engine while it was loose. > > You should have your parts on Tuesday. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:38 AM > To: Jeff Saline > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Doohickey Story - Long > > Yeah, OK, I thought so, Jeff. > > I already ordered everything. I tried to get the "puller" (I think it's > really a pusher) from the dealer. They want $105 for it! Ripoff! They > had some "generics" in the store, but I just ordered it from Fred along > with the doo and a new spring. I'm not going with the torsion spring, > but I am considering having the spring shot peened. Here's why: > http://apm.iitm.ac.in/smlab/mss/download/59.pdf > > I'm pretty sad about not being able to ride the bike. It is my primary > transportation and I don't like having it offline. > > Oh well. > > Thanks for the sermon. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 8/16/2013 5:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:08:25 -0700 RobertWichert > > > writes: > >> OK, so I have never done the doohickey. > > SNIP SNIP SNIP > > > >> So now for the questions... > >> > >> Does the fact that the doohickey moves easy, both ways, indicate > >> that > >> the spring is broken? > >> > >> Should I move it by hand clockwise, like the spring would do? > >> > >> Is it ridiculous to ride it like this? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > >> +1 916 966 9060 > >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > <><><><><> > > <><><><><> > > > > Robert, > > > > It sounds from your description that the doo tensioning spring is > broken. > > > > You could try to tension manually by moving clockwise (with some > > pressure) and tightening the doo adjusting bolt. But how much is enough > > and how much is too much??? > > > > To me it seems ridiculous to even consider starting the engine with a > > known issue. Until you take it apart and discover exactly what is broken > > and at least try to recover broken parts you have a potential time bomb. > > Having it go off while parked would be bad. Having it go off while > > riding it could be deadly. You might never find all the pieces but it > > could cause issues if a broken spring end gets into a bearing or other > > important part. > > > > My suggestion is to order an EagleMike doo and torsion spring and only > > use an EagleMike rotor puller. The rotor holder could be made or maybe > > borrowed and the puller could be borrowed too, possibly. > > > > You are almost 1/2 way to having the doo and spring replaced. Why > > wouldn't you do it right now??? > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > > > . > > . > > . > > . > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Stand With Our President > > Show your support for raising the minimum wage. Sign the petition! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520ec90c54030490c2416st03vuc > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by RobertWichert » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:02 am

I'm pretty sure I've been running it like this though. I noticed more vibes than usual and I was wondering so I took it apart. How strong is that spring, anyway? I kind of feel resistance, but it may just be the chain. Would a broken spring cause more vibes than usual? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 8/17/2013 8:53 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > > Thanks Robert, > > It does sound like your spring is broken. I wouldn t operate your > engine until you have your counter balancer chain tensioned. If you > are needing to run your bike before we get you the parts to fix this > problem, you could try tensioning the lever with light to moderate > finger pressure and tighten the bolt. This would be much better than > running the engine while it was loose. > > You should have your parts on Tuesday. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:38 AM > To: Jeff Saline > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Doohickey Story - Long > > Yeah, OK, I thought so, Jeff. > > I already ordered everything. I tried to get the "puller" (I think it's > really a pusher) from the dealer. They want $105 for it! Ripoff! They > had some "generics" in the store, but I just ordered it from Fred along > with the doo and a new spring. I'm not going with the torsion spring, > but I am considering having the spring shot peened. Here's why: > http://apm.iitm.ac.in/smlab/mss/download/59.pdf > > I'm pretty sad about not being able to ride the bike. It is my primary > transportation and I don't like having it offline. > > Oh well. > > Thanks for the sermon. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 8/16/2013 5:51 PM, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:08:25 -0700 RobertWichert > > > writes: > >> OK, so I have never done the doohickey. > > SNIP SNIP SNIP > > > >> So now for the questions... > >> > >> Does the fact that the doohickey moves easy, both ways, indicate > >> that > >> the spring is broken? > >> > >> Should I move it by hand clockwise, like the spring would do? > >> > >> Is it ridiculous to ride it like this? > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > >> +1 916 966 9060 > >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > <><><><><> > > <><><><><> > > > > Robert, > > > > It sounds from your description that the doo tensioning spring is > broken. > > > > You could try to tension manually by moving clockwise (with some > > pressure) and tightening the doo adjusting bolt. But how much is enough > > and how much is too much??? > > > > To me it seems ridiculous to even consider starting the engine with a > > known issue. Until you take it apart and discover exactly what is broken > > and at least try to recover broken parts you have a potential time bomb. > > Having it go off while parked would be bad. Having it go off while > > riding it could be deadly. You might never find all the pieces but it > > could cause issues if a broken spring end gets into a bearing or other > > important part. > > > > My suggestion is to order an EagleMike doo and torsion spring and only > > use an EagleMike rotor puller. The rotor holder could be made or maybe > > borrowed and the puller could be borrowed too, possibly. > > > > You are almost 1/2 way to having the doo and spring replaced. Why > > wouldn't you do it right now??? > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > > > . > > . > > . > > . > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Stand With Our President > > Show your support for raising the minimum wage. Sign the petition! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520ec90c54030490c2416st03vuc > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Post by Jeff Saline » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:46 am

On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:02:04 -0700 RobertWichert writes:
> I'm pretty sure I've been running it like this though. I noticed > more > vibes than usual and I was wondering so I took it apart. > > How strong is that spring, anyway? I kind of feel resistance, but > it > may just be the chain. > > Would a broken spring cause more vibes than usual? > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068
<><><><><><> <><><><><><> Robert, The spring puts a pretty good tension on the doohickey. When you get to the chain there will be no more movement. A broken spring by itself probably won't cause more vibration. What usually happens is the spring is broken because that's what happens with KLRs. Then instead of fixing this common issue early in the bike's life the owner thinks it won't happen to them. The spring breaks and there is absolutely no indication in most cases. In a few cases part of the broken spring gets into an important part and destroys the lower end of the engine. In rare cases it locks the engine and causes an accident. Finally the owner decides they should do some maintenance and loosens the adjuster lock bolt about a turn. Since there is no spring tension, any tension that was on the chain is relieved. This is a slack chain and can put the balancer shafts out of time just a tad. The owner tightens the adjuster lock bolt to 69-71 inch pounds and thinks all is fine. What they really did was loosen the chain and cause a problem. They may notice more vibration but since they still feel lucky they attribute it to the KLR being a large thumper or something else. On the Gen I KLRs the springs are known to break more than the doohickeys but there are problems with both. On the Gen II KLRs the springs often are no longer providing tension by 1,500 miles and for sure you are lucky if at 5,000 miles there is any tension at all with the stock spring. The Gen II doohickeys are redesigned and much stronger than the previous version but the hole is often a bit larger (0.005" or so) and doesn't fit on the shaft quite as well as it should/could. The fix is the same in all cases and cost is pretty reasonable compared to the cost of damage that could be caused by not taking care of this issue. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . . ____________________________________________________________ One Weird Trick Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520fa8b0aa6ba28b034d4st02vuc

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Post by RobertWichert » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:16 pm

25,000 miles. Time for a chaing. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068
On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:02:04 -0700 RobertWichert > writes: >> I'm pretty sure I've been running it like this though. I noticed >> more >> vibes than usual and I was wondering so I took it apart. >> >> How strong is that spring, anyway? I kind of feel resistance, but >> it >> may just be the chain. >> >> Would a broken spring cause more vibes than usual? >> >> >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C >> +1 916 966 9060 >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 > <><><><><><> > <><><><><><> > > Robert, > > The spring puts a pretty good tension on the doohickey. When you get to > the chain there will be no more movement. > > A broken spring by itself probably won't cause more vibration. What > usually happens is the spring is broken because that's what happens with > KLRs. Then instead of fixing this common issue early in the bike's life > the owner thinks it won't happen to them. The spring breaks and there is > absolutely no indication in most cases. In a few cases part of the > broken spring gets into an important part and destroys the lower end of > the engine. In rare cases it locks the engine and causes an accident. > Finally the owner decides they should do some maintenance and loosens the > adjuster lock bolt about a turn. Since there is no spring tension, any > tension that was on the chain is relieved. This is a slack chain and can > put the balancer shafts out of time just a tad. The owner tightens the > adjuster lock bolt to 69-71 inch pounds and thinks all is fine. What > they really did was loosen the chain and cause a problem. They may > notice more vibration but since they still feel lucky they attribute it > to the KLR being a large thumper or something else. > > On the Gen I KLRs the springs are known to break more than the doohickeys > but there are problems with both. On the Gen II KLRs the springs often > are no longer providing tension by 1,500 miles and for sure you are lucky > if at 5,000 miles there is any tension at all with the stock spring. The > Gen II doohickeys are redesigned and much stronger than the previous > version but the hole is often a bit larger (0.005" or so) and doesn't fit > on the shaft quite as well as it should/could. The fix is the same in all > cases and cost is pretty reasonable compared to the cost of damage that > could be caused by not taking care of this issue. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > . > . > . > > ____________________________________________________________ > One Weird Trick > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify… > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520fa8b0ba08328b041c6st03vuc >

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Post by achesley43@ymail.com » Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:53 am

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote:
> > 25,000 miles. Time for a chaing. > >
Robert, I had a broken spring at the 10K mile check up on my A14. (Hard to believe but on my '92 that I put over 30K miles on, I never checked that stuff.) But,on the A14 had only adjusted the tension at 1000 miles. Put a stronger spring in there and adjusted all before I put the mag back on to see how that stuff works. LOL! Now, I don't take a chance. I just pull the cover ever 10000 miles and adjust it with a screw driver shovin' the thing right to left since that's how the spring pulls it. With a light I can bearly see the spring is still there. I coat the gasket with just a smearing of silicone seal. This makes it easier to come apart without breaking the gasket, plus, helps seal. Then, I don't concern myself with it for another 10K miles and knock it out during an oil change. Andy in Jennings. '00 KLR '07 Bandit 1250S

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Post by RobertWichert » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:38 pm

Update... The spring was, and is, definitely broken. The crankcase hook end is MIA. The spring itself shows some signs of abuse (Dented a bit. Prolly got caught by the chain or something.). I will try to find the hook end. I also need to look for one thrust washer which appears to have gotten away from me. Fishing expedition starts tomorrow. This is probably just for curiosity, but how do you index/time the balancer(s)? Is there a mark or something? It appears that I can remove the tensioning sprocket. As a matter of fact, the insides of the tensioning sprocket fell out on their own. I haven't moved anything, but I'd like to know that the timing of the balancer(s) is right, so if there is a way to do that, and you know what it is, kindly help me out. Any other hints or ideas are welcome. Bottom line - Bad spring. No cookie. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 8/17/2013 10:16 AM, RobertWichert wrote: > > 25,000 miles. Time for a chaing. > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Jeff Saline > wrote: > > > On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:02:04 -0700 RobertWichert > > > writes: > >> I'm pretty sure I've been running it like this though. I noticed > >> more > >> vibes than usual and I was wondering so I took it apart. > >> > >> How strong is that spring, anyway? I kind of feel resistance, but > >> it > >> may just be the chain. > >> > >> Would a broken spring cause more vibes than usual? > >> > >> > >> Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > >> +1 916 966 9060 > >> FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > <><><><><><> > > <><><><><><> > > > > Robert, > > > > The spring puts a pretty good tension on the doohickey. When you get to > > the chain there will be no more movement. > > > > A broken spring by itself probably won't cause more vibration. What > > usually happens is the spring is broken because that's what happens with > > KLRs. Then instead of fixing this common issue early in the bike's life > > the owner thinks it won't happen to them. The spring breaks and there is > > absolutely no indication in most cases. In a few cases part of the > > broken spring gets into an important part and destroys the lower end of > > the engine. In rare cases it locks the engine and causes an accident. > > Finally the owner decides they should do some maintenance and > loosens the > > adjuster lock bolt about a turn. Since there is no spring tension, any > > tension that was on the chain is relieved. This is a slack chain and can > > put the balancer shafts out of time just a tad. The owner tightens the > > adjuster lock bolt to 69-71 inch pounds and thinks all is fine. What > > they really did was loosen the chain and cause a problem. They may > > notice more vibration but since they still feel lucky they attribute it > > to the KLR being a large thumper or something else. > > > > On the Gen I KLRs the springs are known to break more than the > doohickeys > > but there are problems with both. On the Gen II KLRs the springs often > > are no longer providing tension by 1,500 miles and for sure you are > lucky > > if at 5,000 miles there is any tension at all with the stock spring. The > > Gen II doohickeys are redesigned and much stronger than the previous > > version but the hole is often a bit larger (0.005" or so) and > doesn't fit > > on the shaft quite as well as it should/could. The fix is the same > in all > > cases and cost is pretty reasonable compared to the cost of damage that > > could be caused by not taking care of this issue. > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > One Weird Trick > > Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify... > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/520fa8b0ba08328b041c6st03vuc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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