[dsn_klr650] oils and lubes

[Marcus Young]

Wow, if you can find a valve adjustment for $50, and you trust the dealer, go for it. Here in Denver all of the dealers want about $120 for this service (with one exception, a place I've had bad dealing with before, and they still quoted me at $90). Unfortunately, I have a phobia of digging into my motor, so I may just have to bite the bullet and pay this amount.   Marcus Young   PS Anyone in Colorado have a favorite dealer service center?

[quote] -----Original Message----- [b]From:[/b] rowdy [mailto:rowdy@...] [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, May 11, 2000 6:00 PM [b]To:[/b] KLR List [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_klr650] More oil stuff! Hi everyone,    I've been hanging out just reading all your posts for a couple of weeks now. I've learned a lot so far, and enjoyed all the discussion. I'm the proud new owner of a new "to me" 98 KLR650 with 5500 miles on it. It's box stock right now, but I'm probably going to start tinkering soon. So ya'll can expect lotsa dumb questions!    The first two things I was wondering about are the Cobra exhaust. Anyone tried one? Anyone like it? I remember someone saying they had problems. I'm looking for less weight, better power and acceptable sound levels. I'm thinking a K&N, muffler, 14 tooth front sprocket, and jets might really wake things up! Also I'm coming up on a valve adjustment. The dealer wants $50 plus parts. Is this a good deal? I can do it myself, but don't really feel like tearing it apart.    Well, enough dumb questions for now! Here is a link to another good article about engine oils. I don't think anyone posted this yet. http://www.activebike.com/index/features/oils/oils.html   C'ya later!   Mike   98KLR650 99 ZRX1100 Central, Virginia Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

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[Skip Faulkner]

Tom said: Enough with the rhetoric. The SJ vs SG/SH oil debate could go on forever if allowed to remain in the realm of theory. As a practical matter there are two considerations you should be concerned about relative to the changes to the additive packs in SJ oil: does your machine have a catalytic converter that must be kept functioning to meet regulations? and is your engine a plain-bearing, high-rpm/high-load design? If you can answer "no" to those to questions, it probably doesn't matter whether you use SJ oil or not, provided that your choice of viscosity range is proper and oil changes occur every 3,000 ~ 5,000 miles. With all due respect, folx, KLR 650's don't fall in either category. .............................................................>snip Tom Bowman Atlanta A14   Tom,     I agree with everything you say and have stated them all before on this List,EXCEPT you are incorrect in what the base concerns are by bike manufacturers,mechanics and other informed and interested parties, that being the clutch slippage problem attributed to SJ auto oils, due solely to the friction modifiers added.    The stress levels in a single cylinder motorcycle transmission at highway speeds are definately enough to warrant concern, especially on the KLR.     Also, not all SJ oils have the reduced levels of the zinc and phosporous content, as of this past year. I was going to post later some new interesting information I got yesterday from two different petroleum engineers employed by Citgo ( Kawasaki oil, Yamalube, and Suzuki oil) and Shell. Apparently the SJ situation is enough of a problem for them to inact measures to address it. Also, two bike manufacturers have made comments to these two oil companies that they were considering notifying warranted customers that they recommend against using SJ auto oil in their products, and are considering voiding warranties if done. Therefore, the situation is being taken a little more seriously than you think.      That being said, the lubrication information I have posted in the past, and will continue to post, is done purely as information only, not advice, unless otherwise stated. My interests and education on petroleum and lubrication is persued as part of my profression and I have several years of it, with no  " theories" or speculation taken as fact. As an off-shoot, I have included the revelancy of it pertaining to motorcycle engines and just pass along the information to this List for those interested. I get my facts and information from industry engineers, corporate and independent and from seminars I attend. Much is also gotten from SAE monos and reports, not poorly researched and undocumented magazines and internet articles based on Joe Blow`s  opinion on the subject. I have seen mentioned on this list and others, "reports" and articles on the subject that are so out of date they`re no longer applicable.     I always place "oil" in the subject of these posts so those not interested don`t have to read them.     I`ll post the other stuff I had later, I`m running late.   Skip ( these dead horses won`t stay down) Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com