Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

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ponyboy8844
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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by ponyboy8844 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:29 pm

We're talking about the hero/restored. As far as I know Kevin still owns the duplicate. I wish you would have got it when you had the chance also Sandy!  -Roy

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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 3:16 PM (GMT-07:00)
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So which Robot are we talking about? Isn't there the Hero/Restored and then the Hero/Copy? Didn't KB own the copy? I would have not let either one of those go! Priceless. If I had the money back then, I would have purchased it myself from the Fox Warehouse.



"ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
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  Maybe Garry can chime back in. He said he knows who owns the original. Maybe he can also tell us why this is supposed to be a big secret. Last photo I ever saw of the hero was when it was being sold on ebay by Kevin Burns. Looked like the robot was in a garage. I was going to bid on it but I wasn't sure if it was legit. No one bid on it and it didn't sell. Kevin sold it shortly afterward to someone. I'm guessing that person still owns it. Was it one of us? I've been told the robot is only about 30% original since so many parts had to be replaced. Is that why the owner hasn't shown it? Even 30% is better than nothing especially considering the extent of restoration that was needed after Mystery Island.    -Roy

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From: "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 2:38 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  I'm really enjoying this history lesson and discussion (also the collar discussion a short while back)!

It appears that our mechanical friend had a secret life before he almost crumbled to dust in storage. :)

Those "original" parts that were on eBay; any more photos? They would look good into the "Robot History" page of the website that I'm *sure* will become a reality in 2016. Are there any decent pictures from the post-LIS series days, or are the blurry screencaps and news clippings all there are?

And... who really owns the hero? And who owns other original parts? Post pictures!!

Sandy Rivera
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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Sandy Rivera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:31 pm

Gotcha, Thanx


From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:25 PM
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  I'm not 100% certain the legs were made from pulls from the original molds. I'm guessing they were. You'd have to contact Mike and see if he had any leftovers when he stopped making the replicas.    -Roy

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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 3:18 PM (GMT-07:00)
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  Are those leg's still available for purchase?


From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: Robot Builders
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent.   -Roy

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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 2:03 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???


From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'!              -Roy

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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  Are you saying Mike owns the hero? 

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From: "quadrant-6@nyc.rr.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 9:24 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first  bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.

Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.

I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.

As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.

As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL

Garry



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Sandy Rivera
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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Sandy Rivera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:35 pm

Darn Me ! :(


From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: Robot Builders
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  We're talking about the hero/restored. As far as I know Kevin still owns the duplicate. I wish you would have got it when you had the chance also Sandy!  -Roy

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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 3:16 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  So which Robot are we talking about? Isn't there the Hero/Restored and then the Hero/Copy? Didn't KB own the copy? I would have not let either one of those go! Priceless. If I had the money back then, I would have purchased it myself from the Fox Warehouse.



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Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



  Maybe Garry can chime back in. He said he knows who owns the original. Maybe he can also tell us why this is supposed to be a big secret. Last photo I ever saw of the hero was when it was being sold on ebay by Kevin Burns. Looked like the robot was in a garage. I was going to bid on it but I wasn't sure if it was legit. No one bid on it and it didn't sell. Kevin sold it shortly afterward to someone. I'm guessing that person still owns it. Was it one of us? I've been told the robot is only about 30% original since so many parts had to be replaced. Is that why the owner hasn't shown it? Even 30% is better than nothing especially considering the extent of restoration that was needed after Mystery Island.    -Roy

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From: "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 2:38 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  I'm really enjoying this history lesson and discussion (also the collar discussion a short while back)!

It appears that our mechanical friend had a secret life before he almost crumbled to dust in storage. :)

Those "original" parts that were on eBay; any more photos? They would look good into the "Robot History" page of the website that I'm *sure* will become a reality in 2016. Are there any decent pictures from the post-LIS series days, or are the blurry screencaps and news clippings all there are?

And... who really owns the hero? And who owns other original parts? Post pictures!!

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Charlie's BatCave

Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Charlie's BatCave » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:08 pm

Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....

MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.

The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse engineered.

The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9 Ceations by Kevin Burns.

The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2 Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.

All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.


I think that about covers it....



Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet


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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:24:55 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Charlie, Were you going to say something? Your message didn't come through.


From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Group, B9"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet
www.robocondenver.com
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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Robot Builders"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent. -Roy

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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 2:03 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???


From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: Robot Builders
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side




So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'! -Roy

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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Robot Builders
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



Are you saying Mike owns the hero?

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From: "quadrant-6@nyc.rr.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 9:24 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
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This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.

Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.

I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.

As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.

As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL

Garry

Hey Guys,

MikeJ does NOT own the original Hero B9. He was allowed to use original molds and other items owned by Kevin Burns to use in making the B9 Creations Replica. The rubber, legs, arms and bubble boot is made by Will Huff. The same product he is selling to the builders today. The original Hero Robot is owned by Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc. The "Dummy" Robot was restored and is in th Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle.

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Charlie's BatCave

Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Charlie's BatCave » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:12 pm

Oh yeah one more thing,

The "Dummy" or "Stunt" Robot is in the Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle with LOTS of replacement parts!

Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet




----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie's Batcave"
To: "B9 Group"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:08:43 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....

MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.

The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse engineered.

The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9 Ceations by Kevin Burns.

The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2 Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.

All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.


I think that about covers it....



Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet



----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:24:55 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Charlie, Were you going to say something? Your message didn't come through.


From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Group, B9"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet
www.robocondenver.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Robot Builders"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent. -Roy

-------- Original message --------
From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 2:03 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???


From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: Robot Builders
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side




So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'! -Roy

-------- Original message --------
From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Robot Builders
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



Are you saying Mike owns the hero?

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From: "quadrant-6@nyc.rr.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 9:24 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.

Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.

I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.

As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.

As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL

Garry

Hey Guys,

MikeJ does NOT own the original Hero B9. He was allowed to use original molds and other items owned by Kevin Burns to use in making the B9 Creations Replica. The rubber, legs, arms and bubble boot is made by Will Huff. The same product he is selling to the builders today. The original Hero Robot is owned by Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc. The "Dummy" Robot was restored and is in th Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle.

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ponyboy8844
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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by ponyboy8844 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:21 pm

Hi Charlie!    I thought Paul Allen only owned the stunt robot that now resides in the Sci-fi museum in Seattle. Does he own the hero also?  -Roy

-------- Original message --------
From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 4:08 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: "Group, B9"
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 
Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....

MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.

The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse engineered.

The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9 Ceations by Kevin Burns.

The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2 Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.

All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.

I think that about covers it....

Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet
----- Original Message -----
From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:24:55 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Charlie, Were you going to say something? Your message didn't come through.


From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Group, B9"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet
www.robocondenver.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Robot Builders"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent.   -Roy

-------- Original message --------
From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 2:03 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???


From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: Robot Builders
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side


 

So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'!              -Roy

-------- Original message --------
From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Robot Builders
Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

Are you saying Mike owns the hero? 

-------- Original message --------
From: "quadrant-6@nyc.rr.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/24/2016 9:24 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first  bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.

Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.

I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.

As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.

As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL

Garry

Hey Guys,

MikeJ does NOT own the original Hero B9. He was allowed to use original molds and other items owned by Kevin Burns to use in making the B9 Creations Replica. The rubber, legs, arms and bubble boot is made by Will Huff. The same product he is selling to the builders today. The original Hero Robot is owned by Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc. The "Dummy" Robot was restored and is in th Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle.

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Charlie's BatCave

Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Charlie's BatCave » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:45 pm

I may be wrong but I am thinking Paul Allen bought the Hero from Kevin in 1998 or 1999. I think that when the Dunny was restored it was sold or donated to the Sci-Fi Museum I just called and spoke to the Admin Office and she didn't think that Robot was owned by Paul Allen but since it is currently NOT on display she couldn't tell me for certain.


Anyway that's how I remember it.


Mike Joyce needs to chime in here.

Mike??


Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet



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Hi Charlie! I thought Paul Allen only owned the stunt robot that now resides in the Sci-fi museum in Seattle. Does he own the hero also? -Roy

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Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....



MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.



The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse engineered.



The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9 Ceations by Kevin Burns.



The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2 Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.



All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.



I think that about covers it....



Charlie

RoboCon

The Place Where Robots Meet



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Charlie, Were you going to say something? Your message didn't come through.





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Charlie

RoboCon

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www.robocondenver.com

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That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent. -Roy



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Date: 01/25/2016 2:03 PM (GMT-07:00)

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Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???





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So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'! -Roy



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Date: 01/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT-07:00)

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Are you saying Mike owns the hero?



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Date: 01/24/2016 9:24 PM (GMT-07:00)

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Subject: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side







This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.



Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.



I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.



As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.



As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL



Garry



Hey Guys,



MikeJ does NOT own the original Hero B9. He was allowed to use original molds and other items owned by Kevin Burns to use in making the B9 Creations Replica. The rubber, legs, arms and bubble boot is made by Will Huff. The same product he is selling to the builders today. The original Hero Robot is owned by Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc. The "Dummy" Robot was restored and is in th Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle.



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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Gregorio Padin » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:51 pm

:) nice story , history... lol

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:32 PM, sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders] wrote:  
Darn Me ! :(


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Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  We're talking about the hero/restored. As far as I know Kevin still owns the duplicate. I wish you would have got it when you had the chance also Sandy!  -Roy

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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 3:16 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  So which Robot are we talking about? Isn't there the Hero/Restored and then the Hero/Copy? Didn't KB own the copy? I would have not let either one of those go! Priceless. If I had the money back then, I would have purchased it myself from the Fox Warehouse.



"ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side



  Maybe Garry can chime back in. He said he knows who owns the original. Maybe he can also tell us why this is supposed to be a big secret. Last photo I ever saw of the hero was when it was being sold on ebay by Kevin Burns. Looked like the robot was in a garage. I was going to bid on it but I wasn't sure if it was legit. No one bid on it and it didn't sell. Kevin sold it shortly afterward to someone. I'm guessing that person still owns it. Was it one of us? I've been told the robot is only about 30% original since so many parts had to be replaced. Is that why the owner hasn't shown it? Even 30% is better than nothing especially considering the extent of restoration that was needed after Mystery Island.    -Roy

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From: "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 2:38 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  I'm really enjoying this history lesson and discussion (also the collar discussion a short while back)!

It appears that our mechanical friend had a secret life before he almost crumbled to dust in storage. :)

Those "original" parts that were on eBay; any more photos? They would look good into the "Robot History" page of the website that I'm *sure* will become a reality in 2016. Are there any decent pictures from the post-LIS series days, or are the blurry screencaps and news clippings all there are?

And... who really owns the hero? And who owns other original parts? Post pictures!!



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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by mcfineartsaol » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:03 pm

I'm an old time club member as I said, and I have to say it would be highly logical that Paul Allen would own 
both the B9 hero and the stunt robot. I do not know this myself, it has been only fleetingly discussed on the 
list in the past, and has been a mystery to me as to many others. Out of deference I have not brought it up
often, though both the construction of, mechanics of, materials of, and actual dimensions of the hero have 
been of great fascination and interest since I was a boy with a magnifying glass staring endlessly at the set 
of promotional 6 x 10 B&W glossy photos and press kit our local newspaper gave me; one of the most 
exciting days of my young life! Animatronics are amazing, but all I've ever wanted was the original prop!
Not having co-founded Microsoft, that has eluded me, but I found this club, which has been the source of 
many happy hours and meaningful friendships sharing our collective passion for this great character. This 
current discussion reminds me of the old days, when we didn't take access or accuracy for granted. I 
wanted the imperfect 1st. season robot I saw on screen, warts and all. Still do. Though my own B9 has been 
a mere pile of parts for many years, I've been patient to let some of this new information unfold. I tried long 
ago to track down the original wranglers who fabricated & handled the hero on the show, they were either 
gone or guarded, now all are surely gone. We now have the best parts ever, but it is still a challenging and 
expensive project. I hope we never stop discussing this stuff, I worry that younger members may think 
everything is known, and nothing is left to improve or discover. The collar rib count shows this to be true.
Please keep this thread alive by asking yourself & each other specific questions about the hero prop and 
look as closely as you can at every original photo. Believe me, after 50 years, there is still much to learn,
and boy is it fun! 
Marc

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by quadrant_6 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:05 pm

Just to be clear, Paul Allen paid nearly $350,000 dollars for the stunt. When he realized he paid all that money for something that was largely cardboard, wood and falling apart, he had Fred Barton turn it into the best robot club replica ever. Adding working lights and a functional brain, all stuff the stunt never had. Then he gave it an imaginary paint job and what you see in the museum, in my opinion, is a 6 foot tall deception devoid of any historical accuracy.  At the end of the day, I guess if you paid almost a half a million dollars for what you thought was the Lost in Space robot, you d want him shiny too, right? At the time this happened I clearly remember spending the weekend arguing with folks because some people defended the restoration but most were devastated.

The hero robot is the one we re talking about regarding ownership, the one that was at the 25th Anniversary Boston event.

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