Re: Tragedy Strikes! B9 Robot Builder Rips Arm Wide Open!! (Viewer D

[dhuber0262]

Oh man! That's messed up. I suppose it could have been worse. Keep smiling!

I'm wondering...can you tell it's ripped when it's in the collapsed position?

David H

---- "dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

> hehehe. Sorry guys. Couldn't help the drama.
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> Well actually the title wasn't too far off. It was a tragedy of sorts. Another case of being tired, in a hurry and frustrated. While upgrading a servo in my B9 arm build I neglected to remove a screw sticking up. I powered up the arm and moved it out of the torso under computer control. The flange of Will Huff's arm skin was still anchored to the forso. and the screw grabbed one of the bellows and stretched it out till...... RRRIIIPPP! It happened right in front of my eyes and so fast all I could do was drop my jaw (along with a warm, wet feeling down the leg of my pants). Kinda like watching a train wreck.
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> Thank God Will was in the middle of the last arm run of the year and was able to fit me in. Thanks Will!! What I don't have in my brains, Will now has in his wallet. LOL! (grown). Attached are a few tragic pictures.
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> Dave Schulpius
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[David Schulpius]

Tex, I had thought about trying to repair it but don't know what to use. I'm sure it would never be the same or even collapse probably. However if I could get it close somehow it may be a good second set to have around or use as a test set. Dave Schulpius

On Dec 12, 2015 1:00 PM, "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]" wrote:
Dave,It's bad, but it could have been worse! You might want to save the ripped bellows and try your hand at silicone repair.
Can't wait to see your new claw and wrist designs!

[Gary Olley]

Attachments :HI DaveI had a problem with my will Huff legs .The bellows were parting company where Will Had joined them.After talking with Will I looked for a silicon based rubber.I finally used Platsil  It worked great and did the job for me.Gary  From: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:B9Builders@yahoogroups.com]
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To: Tobor001@aol.com [B9Builders]
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Tragedy Strikes! B9 Robot Builder Rips Arm Wide Open!! (Viewer Discretion Advised)   
Tex, I had thought about trying to repair it but don't know what to use. I'm sure it would never be the same or even collapse probably. However if I could get it close somehow it may be a good second set to have around or use as a test set.
Dave Schulpius On Dec 12, 2015 1:00 PM, "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

  Dave,It's bad, but it could have been worse! You might want to save the ripped bellows and try your hand at silicone repair.  Can't wait to see your new claw and wrist designs!

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[Bob Greiner laptop]

Hi Dave, Oh man, that precious silicone arm! After all your efforts and one slip up, I am amazed in any case at all your work. I know the pain as I was right there with Jerry when disaster struck at the 2008 Buildoff early on a Sunday morning.  Jerry and I just about died.  Hard to believe that was 7 years ago, seems like yesterday. Below are links to those pics. May soften your pain to know you re not alone.  I remember the devastating feeling a beautiful collar and radar destroyed in an instant. sigh. http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/id141.htm http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/id143.htm I m glad you could get a replacement from Will s last run.  And let me know what you would like for the damaged arm, I would take it off your hands and maybe would ease the pain some my email is bobchrisandbuddy@verizon.net.   Lost in space:  Bob G. B9-0017 http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/index.htm     From: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 11:06 AM To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Tragedy Strikes! B9 Robot Builder Rips Arm Wide Open!! (Viewer Discretion Advised)    
Sorry to hear about your troubles Dave. I recall one Sunday morning many moons ago, parts of a b9 sliding off the torso and smashing on the driveway during a build off setup. In addition to those parts being destroyed, the torso was damaged and the neon in the glass that would later lees to a failure. All because I was tired and in a hurry. Your not a lone my friend. However sometimes you just need to step away

Misspelling courtesy of my iPhone 6 Plus
On Dec 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, David Schulpius dschulpius@wi.rr.com [B9Builders] wrote:

  Thanks for the support guys. Sometimes the only way I can keep going on a project like this is just to admit that sometimes I'm a bonehead, in over my head and laugh at myself. Being able to share the tragic comedy of (some of) it with you guys helps. But with each failure, I learn.   OMG Jim, Backing over the torso with the car has got to be the ultimate brain fart. You must have felt terrible. How did it turn out? Was it salvageable and paint up OK after repairing it?
Changing Subject (kind of):   As long as I mentioned upgrading servos in my arm build; I'm in the process of redesigning both the claw open and close and the side to side wrist mechanisms.   I'm done with the claw rebuild and it turned out nice. The old design caused binding as I was trying to move the load of the claws with one servo from a center point of an unfixed rod. I changed to a smaller servo and added a second. With two small servos ganged together (one reverse wired) I was able to move the drive point from a center point to one point on each end of the rod. This gave me a good strong, stable and fixed movement.   As far as the wrist side to side mech; I was breaking the gears on the analog metal geared "Power HD 1501" servo I was using. It had the power to lift the load but it's not built to hold up to the stress of it's own power. My 3 pound wrist and claw section was just too much for this servo to lift vertically and hold up over time. I've come up with a way to mount a ServoCity gearbox in that little space (like the one with the big gear shown in the attached pic for lifting my wrist). This should easily stand up to this torture. It only adds 3 oz over my old design to the weight of the arm. With an analog HS-485HB or HS-645MG servo installed in the gearbox this should give me strong, smooth jitter free and quiet movement at this joint. I did try using a programmable "Ultra Torque" HS-7950TH here. It was plenty strong and with a Titanium gear set would have stood up to the pounding. However I had many problems  with it in this application including jitter under load and it bouncing around in the deadband when the robot moved trying to stay centered. Adjusting it with the programing feature didn't help. Also, I couldn't get it to ever completely release once powered up. Sometimes analog is the only way I guess.    Cheers! Dave Schulpius   On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jeff Main jeff.c.main@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The ripped arm - oh the pain   The Will H. replacement - oh joy oh bliss

On Friday, December 11, 2015, Jim Cruff jimcruff@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  [Attachment(s) from Jim Cruff included below] Reminds me of the day I ran over my torso. I was doing some Bondo work. At the end of the evening, I backed my truck into the garage and forgot my torso was on the garage floor. The sound of the cracking torso was horrendous.    So sorry about your arm, Dave.   On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:11 PM, dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  [Attachment(s) from dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] included below]
hehehe. Sorry guys. Couldn't help the drama.


Well actually the title wasn't too far off. It was a tragedy of sorts. Another case of being tired, in a hurry and frustrated. While upgrading a servo in my B9 arm build I neglected to remove a screw sticking up. I powered up the arm and moved it out of the torso under computer control. The flange of Will Huff's arm skin was still anchored to the forso. and the screw grabbed one of the bellows and stretched it out till...... RRRIIIPPP! It happened right in front of my eyes and so fast all I could do was drop my jaw (along with a warm, wet feeling down the leg of my pants). Kinda like watching a train wreck.


Thank God Will was in the middle of the last arm run of the year and was able to fit me in. Thanks Will!! What I don't have in my brains, Will now has in his wallet. LOL! (grown). Attached are a few tragic pictures.


Dave Schulpius

   

[warpig2011]

Dave,

I did a bit of Googling and discovered that any adhesive made for *platinum-cured* silicone should work (might confirm that with Will). There's also some tutororials out there, but I must warn you: it seems that what our friend's arms and legs are made with is the same silicone used in high-end adult toys and dolls. User discretion advised!

[David Reabe]

"OH the pain,The pain!"



On Saturday, December 12, 2015 5:40 PM, "'Bob Greiner laptop' bobchrisandbuddy@verizon.net [B9Builders]" wrote:


  Hi Dave, Oh man, that precious silicone arm! After all your efforts and one slip up, I am amazed in any case at all your work. I know the pain as I was right there with Jerry when disaster struck at the 2008 Buildoff early on a Sunday morning.  Jerry and I just about died.  Hard to believe that was 7 years ago, seems like yesterday. Below are links to those pics. May soften your pain to know you re not alone.  I remember the devastating feeling a beautiful collar and radar destroyed in an instant. sigh. http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/id141.htm http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/id143.htm I m glad you could get a replacement from Will s last run.  And let me know what you would like for the damaged arm, I would take it off your hands and maybe would ease the pain some my email is bobchrisandbuddy@verizon.net.   Lost in space:  Bob G. B9-0017 http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/index.htm     From: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 11:06 AM To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Tragedy Strikes! B9 Robot Builder Rips Arm Wide Open!! (Viewer Discretion Advised)     Sorry to hear about your troubles Dave. I recall one Sunday morning many moons ago, parts of a b9 sliding off the torso and smashing on the driveway during a build off setup. In addition to those parts being destroyed, the torso was damaged and the neon in the glass that would later lees to a failure. All because I was tired and in a hurry. Your not a lone my friend. However sometimes you just need to step away

Misspelling courtesy of my iPhone 6 Plus
On Dec 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, David Schulpius dschulpius@wi.rr.com [B9Builders] wrote:

  Thanks for the support guys. Sometimes the only way I can keep going on a project like this is just to admit that sometimes I'm a bonehead, in over my head and laugh at myself. Being able to share the tragic comedy of (some of) it with you guys helps. But with each failure, I learn.   OMG Jim, Backing over the torso with the car has got to be the ultimate brain fart. You must have felt terrible. How did it turn out? Was it salvageable and paint up OK after repairing it?
Changing Subject (kind of):   As long as I mentioned upgrading servos in my arm build; I'm in the process of redesigning both the claw open and close and the side to side wrist mechanisms.   I'm done with the claw rebuild and it turned out nice. The old design caused binding as I was trying to move the load of the claws with one servo from a center point of an unfixed rod. I changed to a smaller servo and added a second. With two small servos ganged together (one reverse wired) I was able to move the drive point from a center point to one point on each end of the rod. This gave me a good strong, stable and fixed movement.   As far as the wrist side to side mech; I was breaking the gears on the analog metal geared "Power HD 1501" servo I was using. It had the power to lift the load but it's not built to hold up to the stress of it's own power. My 3 pound wrist and claw section was just too much for this servo to lift vertically and hold up over time. I've come up with a way to mount a ServoCity gearbox in that little space (like the one with the big gear shown in the attached pic for lifting my wrist). This should easily stand up to this torture. It only adds 3 oz over my old design to the weight of the arm. With an analog HS-485HB or HS-645MG servo installed in the gearbox this should give me strong, smooth jitter free and quiet movement at this joint. I did try using a programmable "Ultra Torque" HS-7950TH here. It was plenty strong and with a Titanium gear set would have stood up to the pounding. However I had many problems  with it in this application including jitter under load and it bouncing around in the deadband when the robot moved trying to stay centered. Adjusting it with the programing feature didn't help. Also, I couldn't get it to ever completely release once powered up. Sometimes analog is the only way I guess.    Cheers! Dave Schulpius   On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jeff Main jeff.c.main@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The ripped arm - oh the pain   The Will H. replacement - oh joy oh bliss

On Friday, December 11, 2015, Jim Cruff jimcruff@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  [Attachment(s) from Jim Cruff included below] Reminds me of the day I ran over my torso. I was doing some Bondo work. At the end of the evening, I backed my truck into the garage and forgot my torso was on the garage floor. The sound of the cracking torso was horrendous.    So sorry about your arm, Dave.   On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:11 PM, dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  [Attachment(s) from dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] included below] hehehe. Sorry guys. Couldn't help the drama.
Well actually the title wasn't too far off. It was a tragedy of sorts. Another case of being tired, in a hurry and frustrated. While upgrading a servo in my B9 arm build I neglected to remove a screw sticking up. I powered up the arm and moved it out of the torso under computer control. The flange of Will Huff's arm skin was still anchored to the forso. and the screw grabbed one of the bellows and stretched it out till...... RRRIIIPPP! It happened right in front of my eyes and so fast all I could do was drop my jaw (along with a warm, wet feeling down the leg of my pants). Kinda like watching a train wreck.
Thank God Will was in the middle of the last arm run of the year and was able to fit me in. Thanks Will!! What I don't have in my brains, Will now has in his wallet. LOL! (grown). Attached are a few tragic pictures.
Dave Schulpius

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[David Reabe]

"OH the pain.The pain!"



On Friday, December 11, 2015 10:55 PM, "Jim Cruff jimcruff@gmail.com [B9Builders]" wrote:


  [Attachment(s) from Jim Cruff included below] Reminds me of the day I ran over my torso. I was doing some Bondo work. At the end of the evening, I backed my truck into the garage and forgot my torso was on the garage floor. The sound of the cracking torso was horrendous. 
So sorry about your arm, Dave.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:11 PM, dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:

  [Attachment(s) from dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] included below] hehehe. Sorry guys. Couldn't help the drama. 
Well actually the title wasn't too far off. It was a tragedy of sorts. Another case of being tired, in a hurry and frustrated. While upgrading a servo in my B9 arm build I neglected to remove a screw sticking up. I powered up the arm and moved it out of the torso under computer control. The flange of Will Huff's arm skin was still anchored to the forso. and the screw grabbed one of the bellows and stretched it out till...... RRRIIIPPP! It happened right in front of my eyes and so fast all I could do was drop my jaw (along with a warm, wet feeling down the leg of my pants). Kinda like watching a train wreck. 
Thank God Will was in the middle of the last arm run of the year and was able to fit me in. Thanks Will!! What I don't have in my brains, Will now has in his wallet. LOL! (grown). Attached are a few tragic pictures. 
Dave Schulpius

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[David Reabe]

After all that work you guys put into those,if that happened to me I would be sick to my stomach!




On Saturday, December 12, 2015 6:39 PM, "David Reabe dar19904@yahoo.com [B9Builders]" wrote:


  "OH the pain,The pain!"



On Saturday, December 12, 2015 5:40 PM, "'Bob Greiner laptop' bobchrisandbuddy@verizon.net [B9Builders]" wrote:


  Hi Dave, Oh man, that precious silicone arm! After all your efforts and one slip up, I am amazed in any case at all your work. I know the pain as I was right there with Jerry when disaster struck at the 2008 Buildoff early on a Sunday morning.  Jerry and I just about died.  Hard to believe that was 7 years ago, seems like yesterday. Below are links to those pics. May soften your pain to know you re not alone.  I remember the devastating feeling a beautiful collar and radar destroyed in an instant. sigh. http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/id141.htm http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/id143.htm I m glad you could get a replacement from Will s last run.  And let me know what you would like for the damaged arm, I would take it off your hands and maybe would ease the pain some my email is bobchrisandbuddy@verizon.net.   Lost in space:  Bob G. B9-0017 http://bobgreiner.tripod.com/index.htm     From: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2015 11:06 AM To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Tragedy Strikes! B9 Robot Builder Rips Arm Wide Open!! (Viewer Discretion Advised)     Sorry to hear about your troubles Dave. I recall one Sunday morning many moons ago, parts of a b9 sliding off the torso and smashing on the driveway during a build off setup. In addition to those parts being destroyed, the torso was damaged and the neon in the glass that would later lees to a failure. All because I was tired and in a hurry. Your not a lone my friend. However sometimes you just need to step away

Misspelling courtesy of my iPhone 6 Plus
On Dec 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, David Schulpius dschulpius@wi.rr.com [B9Builders] wrote:

  Thanks for the support guys. Sometimes the only way I can keep going on a project like this is just to admit that sometimes I'm a bonehead, in over my head and laugh at myself. Being able to share the tragic comedy of (some of) it with you guys helps. But with each failure, I learn.   OMG Jim, Backing over the torso with the car has got to be the ultimate brain fart. You must have felt terrible. How did it turn out? Was it salvageable and paint up OK after repairing it?
Changing Subject (kind of):   As long as I mentioned upgrading servos in my arm build; I'm in the process of redesigning both the claw open and close and the side to side wrist mechanisms.   I'm done with the claw rebuild and it turned out nice. The old design caused binding as I was trying to move the load of the claws with one servo from a center point of an unfixed rod. I changed to a smaller servo and added a second. With two small servos ganged together (one reverse wired) I was able to move the drive point from a center point to one point on each end of the rod. This gave me a good strong, stable and fixed movement.   As far as the wrist side to side mech; I was breaking the gears on the analog metal geared "Power HD 1501" servo I was using. It had the power to lift the load but it's not built to hold up to the stress of it's own power. My 3 pound wrist and claw section was just too much for this servo to lift vertically and hold up over time. I've come up with a way to mount a ServoCity gearbox in that little space (like the one with the big gear shown in the attached pic for lifting my wrist). This should easily stand up to this torture. It only adds 3 oz over my old design to the weight of the arm. With an analog HS-485HB or HS-645MG servo installed in the gearbox this should give me strong, smooth jitter free and quiet movement at this joint. I did try using a programmable "Ultra Torque" HS-7950TH here. It was plenty strong and with a Titanium gear set would have stood up to the pounding. However I had many problems  with it in this application including jitter under load and it bouncing around in the deadband when the robot moved trying to stay centered. Adjusting it with the programing feature didn't help. Also, I couldn't get it to ever completely release once powered up. Sometimes analog is the only way I guess.    Cheers! Dave Schulpius   On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Jeff Main jeff.c.main@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The ripped arm - oh the pain   The Will H. replacement - oh joy oh bliss

On Friday, December 11, 2015, Jim Cruff jimcruff@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  [Attachment(s) from Jim Cruff included below] Reminds me of the day I ran over my torso. I was doing some Bondo work. At the end of the evening, I backed my truck into the garage and forgot my torso was on the garage floor. The sound of the cracking torso was horrendous.    So sorry about your arm, Dave.   On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:11 PM, dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  [Attachment(s) from dschulpius@gmail.com [B9Builders] included below] hehehe. Sorry guys. Couldn't help the drama.
Well actually the title wasn't too far off. It was a tragedy of sorts. Another case of being tired, in a hurry and frustrated. While upgrading a servo in my B9 arm build I neglected to remove a screw sticking up. I powered up the arm and moved it out of the torso under computer control. The flange of Will Huff's arm skin was still anchored to the forso. and the screw grabbed one of the bellows and stretched it out till...... RRRIIIPPP! It happened right in front of my eyes and so fast all I could do was drop my jaw (along with a warm, wet feeling down the leg of my pants). Kinda like watching a train wreck.
Thank God Will was in the middle of the last arm run of the year and was able to fit me in. Thanks Will!! What I don't have in my brains, Will now has in his wallet. LOL! (grown). Attached are a few tragic pictures.
Dave Schulpius

   

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[David Schulpius]

Thanks for the suggestions and help. I really appreciate you guys. Now that you mention it Gary, I also had a small separation issue with my leg section also. Will told me to just use the same silicone adhesive used for fish tanks. I don t think the adhesive will be the hard part of an attempted repair. Finding a suitable patch to be applied inside to bridge the tear will be the challenge. Maybe I should contact Will again to see if he has any particle arm parts he wants to sell before he scraps them. Dave Schulpius

On Dec 12, 2015 5:25 PM, "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

Dave,

I did a bit of Googling and discovered that any adhesive made for *platinum-cured* silicone should work (might confirm that with Will). There's also some tutororials out there, but I must warn you: it seems that what our friend's arms and legs are made with is the same silicone used in high-end adult toys and dolls. User discretion advised!

[David Schulpius]

Tex, I'm not going to ask how you can possibly know that.
Dave Schulpius

On Dec 12, 2015 5:25 PM, "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

Dave,

I did a bit of Googling and discovered that any adhesive made for *platinum-cured* silicone should work (might confirm that with Will). There's also some tutororials out there, but I must warn you: it seems that what our friend's arms and legs are made with is the same silicone used in high-end adult toys and dolls. User discretion advised!