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Sky Rocket Guy
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by Sky Rocket Guy » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:01 pm

Correct.
From: "'Bobby Clark' bclark@airmail.net [B9Builders]"
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  So we are seeing the edges that were in frame, but not shown on TV due to the way the older TVs worked?   Bobby  
----- Original Message ----- From: jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
  Yes, I was expecting the 4:3 ratio and was pleasantly surprised to see a noticeably wider display.  This set is fantastic. 
Jeff-

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 6:24 AM, "Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

  Same thing.  1.33:1 aspect ratio is the same as 4:3
Just take 4 and divide it by 3 and it equals 1.33
The only thing that I still have in my 16mm collection that's worth anything is War of The Worlds.
Jeff Lake

From: "WIlliam Colleton billmarg1@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's [1 Attachment]

  [Attachment(s) from WIlliam Colleton included below] Aspect ratios  tvs  (full screen) ratio is 1:33:1   35mm  aspect ration up to 1953 had been the standard 1:37:1   the first scope film was "The Robe"  it was filmed twice once for the then standard format and at the same time for the new scope projection    if you compare the two films you'll see slight differences in performances   film is my first  hobby  (see pix my home theater)   got some LIS episodes in 16mm     (war of the robots , The keeper, Mr. Nobody) 
 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The aspect ratio was a part of the controversy.
The show was not filmed in wide screen.  It was filmed in what they called "4:3" - which is more of a square than a rectangle.  (The marketing geniuses of today confuse people by calling it "full screen".)
Anyway, the physical film is slightly wider than a 4:3 television.  So, the original picture has been cropped a bit smaller to fit the older TVs.
Although the original film is wider than the standard 4:3 TV, it is not nearly as wide as today's standard 16:9 widescreen TVs.  So, it does not completely fill up a widescreen TV.  But, it does have a larger picture than originally aired.
The magic of these DVDs is that they've incorporated as much of the original image as possible - as well as digitally cleaning up the picture.
You'll have to determine what you prefer.  You can watch it "as is" or zoom in.  But, using your TV's zoom feature will cut off a portion of the top and bottom of the image.
Enjoy.
Jeff Lake

From: "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 3:46 PM
Subject: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's

  I'm in my element.  I just received today the Lost in Space bluray set.  I like the graphics on the packaging, the discs are an absolute nightmare to get out of the sleeves but I mustn't complain as I'm over the moon with the image quality of the discs.  I couldn't resist to put a disc in my player to check them out.  You can see every detail on our B9 friend including the texturing.  One thing surprised me was the aspect ratio.  I thought it was going to be wide screen.  it's not a problem because I can use the zoom aspect on my TV to fill the screen and I've actually found myself watching it in it's natural aspect with the black bars on the sides.  Now down to some serious episode viewing :-)
Steve


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Bobby Clark
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by Bobby Clark » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:13 pm

ok.  Thank you.  Do you know if the DVD sets also showed this or is it only on the Blu-ray release? ( I am at work or I would get one of the DVDs for a side by side.)   Bobby  
----- Original Message ----- From: jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
 
that's my understanding. The original frame was nowhere near today's definition of widescreen, but, IMO, noticeably wider than 4:3

Sent from my iPad
------ Original Message ------

From: 'Bobby Clark' bclark@airmail.net [B9Builders]
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: November 11, 2015 at 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
  So we are seeing the edges that were in frame, but not shown on TV due to the way the older TVs worked?   Bobby   ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
  Yes, I was expecting the 4:3 ratio and was pleasantly surprised to see a noticeably wider display.  This set is fantastic. 
Jeff-

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 6:24 AM, "Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

  Same thing.  1.33:1 aspect ratio is the same as 4:3
Just take 4 and divide it by 3 and it equals 1.33
The only thing that I still have in my 16mm collection that's worth anything is War of The Worlds.
Jeff Lake

From: "WIlliam Colleton billmarg1@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's [1 Attachment]

  [Attachment(s) from WIlliam Colleton included below] Aspect ratios  tvs  (full screen) ratio is 1:33:1   35mm  aspect ration up to 1953 had been the standard 1:37:1   the first scope film was "The Robe"  it was filmed twice once for the then standard format and at the same time for the new scope projection    if you compare the two films you'll see slight differences in performances   film is my first  hobby  (see pix my home theater)   got some LIS episodes in 16mm     (war of the robots , The keeper, Mr. Nobody) 
 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The aspect ratio was a part of the controversy.
The show was not filmed in wide screen.  It was filmed in what they called "4:3" - which is more of a square than a rectangle.  (The marketing geniuses of today confuse people by calling it "full screen".)
Anyway, the physical film is slightly wider than a 4:3 television.  So, the original picture has been cropped a bit smaller to fit the older TVs.
Although the original film is wider than the standard 4:3 TV, it is not nearly as wide as today's standard 16:9 widescreen TVs.  So, it does not completely fill up a widescreen TV.  But, it does have a larger picture than originally aired.
The magic of these DVDs is that they've incorporated as much of the original image as possible - as well as digitally cleaning up the picture.
You'll have to determine what you prefer.  You can watch it "as is" or zoom in.  But, using your TV's zoom feature will cut off a portion of the top and bottom of the image.
Enjoy.
Jeff Lake

From: "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 3:46 PM
Subject: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's

  I'm in my element.  I just received today the Lost in Space bluray set.  I like the graphics on the packaging, the discs are an absolute nightmare to get out of the sleeves but I mustn't complain as I'm over the moon with the image quality of the discs.  I couldn't resist to put a disc in my player to check them out.  You can see every detail on our B9 friend including the texturing.  One thing surprised me was the aspect ratio.  I thought it was going to be wide screen.  it's not a problem because I can use the zoom aspect on my TV to fill the screen and I've actually found myself watching it in it's natural aspect with the black bars on the sides.  Now down to some serious episode viewing :-)
Steve


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Bobby Clark
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by Bobby Clark » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:13 pm

Thank you.
Bobby  
----- Original Message ----- From: skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
 
Correct.
From: "'Bobby Clark' bclark@airmail.net [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's

  So we are seeing the edges that were in frame, but not shown on TV due to the way the older TVs worked?   Bobby  

----- Original Message ----- From: jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
  Yes, I was expecting the 4:3 ratio and was pleasantly surprised to see a noticeably wider display.  This set is fantastic. 
Jeff-

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 6:24 AM, "Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

  Same thing.  1.33:1 aspect ratio is the same as 4:3
Just take 4 and divide it by 3 and it equals 1.33
The only thing that I still have in my 16mm collection that's worth anything is War of The Worlds.
Jeff Lake

From: "WIlliam Colleton billmarg1@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's [1 Attachment]

  [Attachment(s) from WIlliam Colleton included below] Aspect ratios  tvs  (full screen) ratio is 1:33:1   35mm  aspect ration up to 1953 had been the standard 1:37:1   the first scope film was "The Robe"  it was filmed twice once for the then standard format and at the same time for the new scope projection    if you compare the two films you'll see slight differences in performances   film is my first  hobby  (see pix my home theater)   got some LIS episodes in 16mm     (war of the robots , The keeper, Mr. Nobody) 
 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The aspect ratio was a part of the controversy.
The show was not filmed in wide screen.  It was filmed in what they called "4:3" - which is more of a square than a rectangle.  (The marketing geniuses of today confuse people by calling it "full screen".)
Anyway, the physical film is slightly wider than a 4:3 television.  So, the original picture has been cropped a bit smaller to fit the older TVs.
Although the original film is wider than the standard 4:3 TV, it is not nearly as wide as today's standard 16:9 widescreen TVs.  So, it does not completely fill up a widescreen TV.  But, it does have a larger picture than originally aired.
The magic of these DVDs is that they've incorporated as much of the original image as possible - as well as digitally cleaning up the picture.
You'll have to determine what you prefer.  You can watch it "as is" or zoom in.  But, using your TV's zoom feature will cut off a portion of the top and bottom of the image.
Enjoy.
Jeff Lake

From: "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 3:46 PM
Subject: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's

  I'm in my element.  I just received today the Lost in Space bluray set.  I like the graphics on the packaging, the discs are an absolute nightmare to get out of the sleeves but I mustn't complain as I'm over the moon with the image quality of the discs.  I couldn't resist to put a disc in my player to check them out.  You can see every detail on our B9 friend including the texturing.  One thing surprised me was the aspect ratio.  I thought it was going to be wide screen.  it's not a problem because I can use the zoom aspect on my TV to fill the screen and I've actually found myself watching it in it's natural aspect with the black bars on the sides.  Now down to some serious episode viewing :-)
Steve
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by sjb0459 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:07 pm

Completely agree with you, I'm loving seeing all the detail.  I'm over the moon with the quality of the images, I'm actually seeing how rough the texturing is on our friend.  
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by Bobby Clark » Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:57 pm

I noticed that as well.  I think they were tyring to make it look like a forging or casting.  I have seen equpment from that time period that looked like that on a cast iron or cast steel shell.   Bobby  
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Completely agree with you, I'm loving seeing all the detail.  I'm over the moon with the quality of the images, I'm actually seeing how rough the texturing is on our friend.  
Steve
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by sjb0459 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:22 pm

I used to be a lithographic printer and the printing presses back then had a similar finish on the casings.
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by Bobby Clark » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:28 pm

Do you remember if the finish was the finsh material or the patern in the base material on the presses?   Bobby  
----- Original Message ----- From: stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
 
I used to be a lithographic printer and the printing presses back then had a similar finish on the casings.
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by sjb0459 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:08 pm

It was difficult to tell if it was in the paint finish or whether it was in the base steel of the casing.  I remember I had a portable typewriter years back which was made back in the sixties and it also had a similar textured finish on the casing. It seemed a popular finish back then.
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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by Phil » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:18 pm

I read it is closer to 1.37:1. 

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:56 AM, jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] wrote:
 
that's my understanding. The original frame was nowhere near today's definition of widescreen, but, IMO, noticeably wider than 4:3

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------ Original Message ------

From: 'Bobby Clark' bclark@airmail.net [B9Builders]
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: November 11, 2015 at 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
 
So we are seeing the edges that were in frame, but not shown on TV due to the way the older TVs worked?   Bobby   ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
 
Yes, I was expecting the 4:3 ratio and was pleasantly surprised to see a noticeably wider display.  This set is fantastic. 
Jeff-

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 6:24 AM, "Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders]" wrote:
 
Same thing.  1.33:1 aspect ratio is the same as 4:3
Just take 4 and divide it by 3 and it equals 1.33
The only thing that I still have in my 16mm collection that's worth anything is War of The Worlds.
Jeff Lake

From: "WIlliam Colleton billmarg1@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's [1 Attachment]

  [Attachment(s) from WIlliam Colleton included below] Aspect ratios  tvs  (full screen) ratio is 1:33:1   35mm  aspect ration up to 1953 had been the standard 1:37:1   the first scope film was "The Robe"  it was filmed twice once for the then standard format and at the same time for the new scope projection    if you compare the two films you'll see slight differences in performances   film is my first  hobby  (see pix my home theater)   got some LIS episodes in 16mm     (war of the robots , The keeper, Mr. Nobody) 
 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The aspect ratio was a part of the controversy.
The show was not filmed in wide screen.  It was filmed in what they called "4:3" - which is more of a square than a rectangle.  (The marketing geniuses of today confuse people by calling it "full screen".)
Anyway, the physical film is slightly wider than a 4:3 television.  So, the original picture has been cropped a bit smaller to fit the older TVs.
Although the original film is wider than the standard 4:3 TV, it is not nearly as wide as today's standard 16:9 widescreen TVs.  So, it does not completely fill up a widescreen TV.  But, it does have a larger picture than originally aired.
The magic of these DVDs is that they've incorporated as much of the original image as possible - as well as digitally cleaning up the picture.
You'll have to determine what you prefer.  You can watch it "as is" or zoom in.  But, using your TV's zoom feature will cut off a portion of the top and bottom of the image.
Enjoy.
Jeff Lake

From: "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 3:46 PM
Subject: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's

  I'm in my element.  I just received today the Lost in Space bluray set.  I like the graphics on the packaging, the discs are an absolute nightmare to get out of the sleeves but I mustn't complain as I'm over the moon with the image quality of the discs.  I couldn't resist to put a disc in my player to check them out.  You can see every detail on our B9 friend including the texturing.  One thing surprised me was the aspect ratio.  I thought it was going to be wide screen.  it's not a problem because I can use the zoom aspect on my TV to fill the screen and I've actually found myself watching it in it's natural aspect with the black bars on the sides.  Now down to some serious episode viewing :-)
Steve


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Re: LIS Bluray's

Post by Jim Easley » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:33 pm

I m glad they mostly left the format sizing alone. Imho it was the right choice to not crop the image. LIS was made for television in the sixties so, the original negative was most probably 1.375 to 1. In fact full frame 35 mm camera negative is 1.375 to 1. Transferred to projection film when done correctly maintains the aspect ratio that is chosen. I say this because most film releases in the U.S. from about 1960 to a year ago were either 1.85 or 2.39 anamorphic. The presentation ratio is planned from the start of production so, the cameras will have either a preset aperture or a grid in the viewfinder to keep the area being filmed within the format frame. Unfortunately cropping the top, bottom or both to achieve the desired aspect ratio does use less of the film area so when you blow up the cropped image to fit the new area there is more pronounced grain. The same holds true for a digital scan of film negative. I think we really did get the best possible image and all of it. Besides, it was amazing and so strange watching Bob May in the Bermuda shorts pulling an umbilical cord. Good job.   Jim E. B9-0514   From: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:18 PM To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's    
I read it is closer to 1.37:1.

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:56 AM, jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] wrote:

  that's my understanding. The original frame was nowhere near today's definition of widescreen, but, IMO, noticeably wider than 4:3

Sent from my iPad
------ Original Message ------

From: 'Bobby Clark' bclark@airmail.net [B9Builders]
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: November 11, 2015 at 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
 
So we are seeing the edges that were in frame, but not shown on TV due to the way the older TVs worked?   Bobby   ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff.derose@comcast.net [B9Builders] To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's    Yes, I was expecting the 4:3 ratio and was pleasantly surprised to see a noticeably wider display.  This set is fantastic.   Jeff-

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On Nov 11, 2015, at 6:24 AM, "Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders]" wrote:

  Same thing.  1.33:1 aspect ratio is the same as 4:3   Just take 4 and divide it by 3 and it equals 1.33
The only thing that I still have in my 16mm collection that's worth anything is War of The Worlds.
Jeff Lake
  From: "WIlliam Colleton billmarg1@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's [1 Attachment]
    [Attachment(s) from WIlliam Colleton included below] Aspect ratios  tvs  (full screen) ratio is 1:33:1   35mm  aspect ration up to 1953 had been the standard 1:37:1   the first scope film was "The Robe"  it was filmed twice once for the then standard format and at the same time for the new scope projection    if you compare the two films you'll see slight differences in performances   film is my first  hobby  (see pix my home theater)   got some LIS episodes in 16mm     (war of the robots , The keeper, Mr. Nobody) 
 

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Sky Rocket Guy skyrocketguy@yahoo.com [B9Builders] wrote:
  The aspect ratio was a part of the controversy.
The show was not filmed in wide screen.  It was filmed in what they called "4:3" - which is more of a square than a rectangle.  (The marketing geniuses of today confuse people by calling it "full screen".)
Anyway, the physical film is slightly wider than a 4:3 television.  So, the original picture has been cropped a bit smaller to fit the older TVs.
Although the original film is wider than the standard 4:3 TV, it is not nearly as wide as today's standard 16:9 widescreen TVs.  So, it does not completely fill up a widescreen TV.  But, it does have a larger picture than originally aired.
The magic of these DVDs is that they've incorporated as much of the original image as possible - as well as digitally cleaning up the picture.
You'll have to determine what you prefer.  You can watch it "as is" or zoom in.  But, using your TV's zoom feature will cut off a portion of the top and bottom of the image.
Enjoy.
Jeff Lake
  From: "stevejbrown007@gmail.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 3:46 PM
Subject: [B9Builders] Re: LIS Bluray's
    I'm in my element.  I just received today the Lost in Space bluray set.  I like the graphics on the packaging, the discs are an absolute nightmare to get out of the sleeves but I mustn't complain as I'm over the moon with the image quality of the discs.  I couldn't resist to put a disc in my player to check them out.  You can see every detail on our B9 friend including the texturing.  One thing surprised me was the aspect ratio.  I thought it was going to be wide screen.  it's not a problem because I can use the zoom aspect on my TV to fill the screen and I've actually found myself watching it in it's natural aspect with the black bars on the sides.  Now down to some serious episode viewing :-)
Steve
 
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